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  • StephanieofAlaska
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    Is anyone seeing less vets cropping?

    Turns out my vet who did my first Danes ears (9yrs) isn't cropping anymore I'm so disappointed he was the best. Got a good referral to now the only clinic that crops in my region (anchorage/matsu). I was shocked how with in 9 years 3 clinics stopped cropping in my area. Is anyone else running into this? Are lots of vets moving away from cropping?

    Note: she is a show pup that's why I'm cropping and my breeder does not crop she shows natural ears she lives in NY offered to find someone there but since i'd have to ship her back it was done there I opted to have it done here which she was ok with.


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  • Greenmagick
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    Originally posted by ngoldhabermd View Post
    What about circumcision in human beings?? Babies feel pain as do adults obviously, yet there is no outcry to ban this"cosmetic" procedure
    There is, it's just not very loud yet. There are protests and rallies around the us about it though. Even a group called Doctors Against Cirumcision and other organized grassroots groups.

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  • ngoldhabermd
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    What about circumcision in human beings?? Babies feel pain as do adults obviously, yet there is no outcry to ban this"cosmetic" procedure

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  • Greenmagick
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    No one will convince me pups dont feel some pain afterwards...its just in general pain is something pups and dogs don't really show or are good at ignoring. I mean anyone who has gotten a dog home from a spay knows how hard it can be to keep them calm....and there is NO way that doesnt hurt. I have seen dogs wag their tails and give kisses, try to play, etc with crushed pelvis from being hit by a car, with a leg rotting off, so covered in mange they hardly look like a dog, with bullets in them, etc.

    Those are extreme examples yes and I am in NO WAY at all comparing that to cropping btw...just to make a point I dont think we can judge pain by they way they act necessarily, especially young pups. I am also not saying because they feel some pain that that means its cruel and inhumane. I know way too many wonderful owners who chose to crop and yes, the dogs really do recover just fine for the vast majority of cases. I personally wont do it, not because of the pain afterwards (though I will admit its a slight consideration) but for ME, the risk of the anesthesia is not worth it for a look. Others it is.

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  • melissa.lynn
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    Originally posted by kayla baxter View Post
    Have you ever picked a puppy up from being cropped? Zephyr didn't come home with pain meds and ran head first into the wall right when he got home when he had a zoomie outburst and didn't even notice. He screamed getting microchipped and that was way worse than post crop, neuter or pexi.
    And for what it's worth, I know people in the body mod scene who have split their tongues and altered their ears under local anesthetic and weren't in severe pain afterwards.
    body mod scene here! my eats ate stretched to 1 inch and I have had several implants. I will tell you that it DOES hurt for a few days after. it isn't unbearable "omg kill pain" but it is certainly painful.

    Imo puppies are in some pain for a while after a crop but that is maybe just me

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  • melissa.lynn
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    Originally posted by mom4jazzie View Post
    I wonder if its like ocenbluedanes said, cropping is on the way out. I thought I read that in parts of Europe cropping has been outlawed. That makes me wonder about breeds where they dock tails..would that follow the same path?

    I love natural ears so no problem for me!
    In many if not all parts of Europe and I am pretty sure Australia tail docking and ear cropping is illegal!

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  • natasha129
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    I can't know my dogs pain but, when Diesel came home the day after his cropping and was jumping all over the place wanting to play. He acted like it didn't happen and that helped me not to dot over him so much lol. I also believe that the government shouldn't choose if we can do ear cropping or not too. Spaying and neutering is much more painful for a dog and can be harmful since the dog isn't getting the hormones from the parts they were born with. It certainly feels like cropping is going out and not by law here but, by vets just not learning the art anymore.
    I love my Great Danes to be cropped. A Great Dane with a beautiful crop just makes them that more regal in my eyes

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  • StephanieofAlaska
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    Once this Dr. Retires Alaskans might be out of luck completely. (There is one more I know of but have heard can't do a show crop at all!) Alaskans feel free to correct me if there are others out there. I like a good crop but am wary to make a 10hr drive through the mountains during icy/breakup season. Think we are leaning towards leaving them as they are maybe she won't be alone in the ring with her ears.


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  • oceanbluedanes
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    Originally posted by ematlock View Post
    So I know I am going to get alot of flack for this one lol. Alot of people are starting to see cropping as inhumane. To do a good job, you have to do them often, and most vets aren't. Puppies aren't the best anesthetic candidtes either I know alot of people will tell you there is no pain after the first day, but I call bull on that one. 1) if there was no pain, why do they go home on pain meds?! 2) Try cutting off your ear then tell me there is no pain after 1 day Anyway, since most people don't do it anymore, neither do most vets.

    I don't think you'll get a lot of flack. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

    Any and every surgical procedure is not without some risk and/or pain (elective or not).

    I know many vets (actually most IME) who do not send home on pain meds. I do request them, not because I really think the pups are in pain but because I'm a wimp and want to be sure they aren't uncomfortable. And actually, though I am not a vet, I have been told by many that puppies have a very high pain threshold.

    I have both cropped and uncropped Danes in my home. I like both but do personally prefer the look of a good crop. That said, nothing is worse than a botched crop job and that goes for both the vet and the aftercare.

    I grew up in Danes and have taped many, many puppies in my life. Never once had a crop flop. We did however have a natural eared male whose ears were the scorn of his life. He was always injuring them, they were always bleeding and infected and horribly scarred. He also had yeast issues off and on. So I've personally seen it go both ways.

    I do not think the government should have the right to tell dog owners if they can or cannot crop. I do not consider cropping any more or less inhumane than spaying/neutering. That said, I do think the day is coming that cropping will be banned. Not in the immediate future though.


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  • ematlock
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    Well I'm not here to argue. Its just my opinion No I have never had a dog cropped, but I am a Veterinary Technician, and I don't think I will ever be convinced it is not painful. Its a personal decision though. To me, it seems like a big thing to do just for cosmetics. But I know I am fighting a loosing battle with the huge population of show people on here

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  • kayla baxter
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    Is anyone seeing less vets cropping?

    Originally posted by ematlock View Post
    So I know I am going to get alot of flack for this one lol. Alot of people are starting to see cropping as inhumane. To do a good job, you have to do them often, and most vets aren't. Puppies aren't the best anesthetic candidtes either I know alot of people will tell you there is no pain after the first day, but I call bull on that one. 1) if there was no pain, why do they go home on pain meds?! 2) Try cutting off your ear then tell me there is no pain after 1 day Anyway, since most people don't do it anymore, neither do most vets.

    Have you ever picked a puppy up from being cropped? Zephyr didn't come home with pain meds and ran head first into the wall right when he got home when he had a zoomie outburst and didn't even notice. He screamed getting microchipped and that was way worse than post crop, neuter or pexi.
    And for what it's worth, I know people in the body mod scene who have split their tongues and altered their ears under local anesthetic and weren't in severe pain afterwards.

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  • ematlock
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    So I know I am going to get alot of flack for this one lol. Alot of people are starting to see cropping as inhumane. To do a good job, you have to do them often, and most vets aren't. Puppies aren't the best anesthetic candidtes either I know alot of people will tell you there is no pain after the first day, but I call bull on that one. 1) if there was no pain, why do they go home on pain meds?! 2) Try cutting off your ear then tell me there is no pain after 1 day Anyway, since most people don't do it anymore, neither do most vets.

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  • HarlequinHorror
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    Originally posted by mom4jazzie View Post
    I wonder if its like ocenbluedanes said, cropping is on the way out. I thought I read that in parts of Europe cropping has been outlawed. That makes me wonder about breeds where they dock tails..would that follow the same path?

    I love natural ears so no problem for me!
    Cropping is illegal here (Ireland) and since this year now is docking also. This is also the case in the UK. At Crufts you can no longer show a docked dog (unless it was docked before the ban), and cropping has been banned for many years. Some other parts of Europe have it banned too but some countries still have it legal. Seeing dobies and other breeds that are cropped and docked in the US natural here is becoming the norm.

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  • mom4jazzie
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    I wonder if its like ocenbluedanes said, cropping is on the way out. I thought I read that in parts of Europe cropping has been outlawed. That makes me wonder about breeds where they dock tails..would that follow the same path?

    I love natural ears so no problem for me!

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  • oceanbluedanes
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    I think cropping is slowly on its way out. More and more are showing natural ears and fewer and fewer vets are choosing to crop. I don't think it will vanish in my generation, but it is moving in that direction.


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