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    We are thinking about signing my 8 month old dane up for a 2 week training camp. I am a little nervous just cause she is my first dog...i've met the instructor and he is very nice, seems to know what he's doing. She will board with him at the facility for 2 weeks and we only get to see her 3 times during the second week, to work with her. It is $1000 and they use a choke chain as well as positive reinforcement to train. I am not so sure about the use of a choke chain and I guess im looking for a little reassurance that its not a cruel thing. Just wondering if anyone has any input about using a choke chain to train...also, what questions should I ask the instructor about the training, to know if it is the right program?Thanks in advance!

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    RE: dog training camp questions

    Don't do it. I would never in a thousand years leave my dog with a stranger to train. YOU need to take part in the training and need to practice with her every day.

    You have no idea how rough these people are with your dog. I know of some "boot camps" that are very rough. I don't know any that don't use coersion. Some use shock collars. I have seen dogs that come home with burns on their neck from shock collars at boot camp.

    There is no way that a choke chain is needed if they are using positive reinforcement. I don't even use a collar at all when I train except to teach loose leash walking. You don't use both coersion and positive reinforcement in training. A choke chain is coersive. Positive reinforcement won't work in the presence of coersion.

    You can hire a trainer to come to your house and work with both you and your dog for less than 1/2 what this guy is charging. You can attend a class for 10% of what they are charging.

    Let me repeat for your dog's sake, don't do it.

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    • #3
      RE: dog training camp questions

      $1000 for 2 weeks seems outrageous.I send mine with their handler for way longer for way less.I sent one with trainer once that had mommyitis and needed some tweaking (he was already major pointed) for 3 weeks and it was only $375.The only reason Ive sent with trainer on few occasions is because they mind me and do what I say but didnt listen as well to others and I couldnt correct it myself because they didnt do it to me.We use show chokes when training so they are used to it.Used the correct way they arent cruel.


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      • #4
        RE: dog training camp questions

        Is the dog having specific problems? I think it would be better to train your own dog. I do know people that do send the dog away, and it meets with different levels of success, as it still is up to you to follow through. As well, if the dog is a house pet, it might be stressful for it to be kenneled and away from it's family. Which some would say is a good "learning experience" for the dog, but IMO not fair to the dog and not worth the money - unless you are having some really specific challenges you think they will be able to fix. Once the dog is home, it is more than likely to revert to it's previous behaviour.

        I would at least want to observe either your own dog or different dogs being trained by this person before just handing them the dog.

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        • #5
          RE: dog training camp questions

          Dont do it. I made the mistake of doing this with my pup and since she came home she is a different dog. She is growling and biting my other dog like crazy. When I tell her off she don't listen at all and jumps up and gets in my face. I am just about going to post something about this stituation. Anyway I wouldn't do it ever again, I think this made her mean

          Edited to say I paid 1200.00 for 2 weeks and I should of just did it all myself and I think the dog would be ok

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          • #6
            RE: dog training camp questions

            I do that type of training, with great success, however, I do it in my home where the dogs are trained and live. They are not kenneled and worked with only a short period of time each day, we work off & on all day. I am able to work through many issues that are not available in a facility like that, ie counter surfing, door bolting & manners, shoe theivery, paper eating, . Nor do I start out with a harsh collar. To date I think only 4 of the 80ish dogs I've trained in the last two years has moved onto a prong & none on a choke (I won't use them).

            I charge less than that, infact I charge about 1/2 of what facilities in my area charge. I could charge more, but I want to train dogs more than make money.

            I still caution against trainings like these, many do whatever is necessary to train the dog, sometimes to the detriment of the dog.



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            • #7
              RE: dog training camp questions

              I would not even consider doing this.
              You need to learn how to train your dog, for bonding purposes, as well as so you know what to do when new things arise down the road. Not to mention, I would not let a stranger handle my dog with a choke chain. Period.
              Your instincts were making you reluctant. Follow your instincts and find a class you can take together.

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