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  • Sunny
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    More Tommy stuff - ugh!

    Hi everyone!

    Sorry for bothering all of you with yet another long rant about Tommy. It's just that we really need you!

    I have been tying Tommy to a clothesline whenever he wants to go outside. After a week of trying, things aren't going so well. Tommy will pace around the back door to go out but will start to run as soon as he sees me coming as though he suddenly remembers he's going to be tied to that rope. I have to catch him and basically drag him outside. Once out, he will stand frozen like a statue until I let him back in. I've left him out as long as 30 minutes but he refuses to move. As soon as he is back in the house, he starts frantically pacing at the back door again. He sees me come, starts to run, I have to catch him, hook him on the clothesline, drag him back outside, and he stands frozen again until I let him back in. This process repeats itself several times until finally Tommy can't hold things anymore and he is forced to do his business outside. Of course, he still won't move. He just does his thing wherever he happens to stop after I've pulled him out the door.

    I can't let Tommy stand outside any longer that 30 minutes because it has been so cold here. Some days our high temperature is only 10 degrees. I thought I would try not letting him out right away when he starts pacing. I figured if I waited long enough, he'd be unable to be so stubborn about going outside and would do his business on the first trip out. Well, he peed on my kitchen floor. ;(

    Over the weekend I thought I would try letting him outside again without the clothesline. I figured I'd try coaxing him in with a treat. Well, apparently, Tommy has found a treat outside that he likes better than anything I could possibly offer him - frozen dog poop. Yep, that's right. Tommy has decided that eating his newfound popsicles is the best thing ever. He runs out into the yard, digs through the snow until he finds a nice pile and then proceeds to eat it. I tried shaking his food bowl filled with food, rattling cheese wrappers and showing him handfuls of dog biscuits but Tommy will not come in until he finishes his outdoor treat.

    Of course, I had to try my new approach a couple of times just to make sure it wasn't a onetime thing and soon discovered it wasn't. He did it every single time I let him out. Just to make sure I was thoroughly punished for my stupidity, Tommy started throwing up off and on thanks, I'm sure, to the bad effects dog poo must have had on his already sensitive system.

    So, now we are back to the clothesline.

    I am getting really desperate with this dog. I feel like everything I do is wrong. I am playing with him. I make sure I give him a treat every time he comes in (even when I help him in using the clothesline). I feed him Canidae dog food to make sure he gets a healthy diet. I am home full time and I pet him every time I walk past. No matter what I do, though, this dog just seems to be digging his heals in further and further and I just don't know what to do.

    I know things take time, but I feel like I'm making no forward progress with Tommy. He does seem to be doing better in the house but, when he's outside, all bets are still off. I can't play with him or train him outside yet because the weather has been far too cold. I think (hope) things will get better once I can. Any suggestions on what else I can try in the meantime? Also, is it possible for a dog simply to not like someone? Could it be that there is something about me that Tommy just doesn't care for?

    Thanks a million!

    Sunny

  • XcelDanes
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    Is their other dogs ?Im wondering if hes attached to other dogs and wants to be with them.

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  • Sunny
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    >I know this is going to sounds stupid, but on cold days I
    >take my hot coffee with me & breath in the steam/hot air, can
    >you do that with coffee or something hot and keep it near your
    >face. I cough a lot less when it's too cold to breath
    >easily.


    Hmmm, never thought of anything like that. I'll give it a try this afternoon and see how it goes.

    So far this morning, things are going fairly smooth with Tommy. I've had him out on a leash 2 times and he seems to be okay with it. I've also had him tethered to me for the past hour and that's going surprisingly well. He isn't resisting at all and just sort of follows me as I go. I can see the little wheels turning in his head wondering what the heck is going on. I'll let you know how it went at the end of the day.

    I know I keep saying it, but I can't thank all of you enough for seeing this through with me. It's so reassuring not to be alone. And, Bill, thanks for chiming in again. I'm glad to know you're still with me, too. Countless times through the day when I feel like launching Tommy across the room, words from your various posts stream through my head and he gets a hug instead of a smack.

    Talk to you later!

    Sunny

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  • trainer
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    >I'm
    >going to try keeping him on a leash tethered to me tomorrow to
    >see what that does. Maybe if he physically can't run away
    >from me, inside or outside, he'll start to realize that it's
    >not so bad. Any thoughts?

    Yes, thats good. Do it.

    Bill Carnes
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    "Unnatural diets predispose animals to unnatural outcomes"
    Dr. Tom Lonsdale

    "If you won't eat what you are feeding your dog, its not good enough to feed him either."
    Bill Carnes

    "Causing pain, either physical, mental, or emotional to an animal to force him to act as you think he should is wrong. Doing so only reflects the ignorance of the trainer. There IS a better way."
    Bill Carnes

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  • MyDaneBaby
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    I know this is going to sounds stupid, but on cold days I take my hot coffee with me & breath in the steam/hot air, can you do that with coffee or something hot and keep it near your face. I cough a lot less when it's too cold to breath easily.

    Mitch

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  • Sunny
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    Tommy and I have had a pretty rough evening. He peed on my kitchen floor three times because he wouldn't go while hooked to the clothesline. The temps here climbed a bit so I decided to cover my face and take a chance on actually walking Tommy out on a leash. I'm wheezing a bit, but he did finally pee outside. After cleaning up 3 gallons of pee on my floor, I think the breathing issue may just be worth it at this point. The weatherman is promising warmer temps all week and they should be close enough to my limit that I think I can take Tommy out for the next few days. We'll see how that goes. Please let Ron know that I may need him on standby just in case!

    I also found myself feeling very angry at Tommy after the third accident (I'm just so tired). I think he could sense that because he stayed farther away from me than usual. I'm going to try keeping him on a leash tethered to me tomorrow to see what that does. Maybe if he physically can't run away from me, inside or outside, he'll start to realize that it's not so bad. Any thoughts?

    Sunny

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  • XcelDanes
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    <<..or invite Ron to come and live with you.

    If Ron went to live with her Dee Pickles would definately lose weight haha

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  • Devil Dog
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    My fawn girl Honey was just like your Tommy. Would not come in no matter what I did or said.

    The plain truth was..she had no respect for me. So didn't have to answer or pay attention. My SO on the other hand had the control. While I would yell, threaten and beg her to come in..no soap.

    Now Ron {my SO} she respected because she knew {unlike me} he meant business..when he said "Come in." He had her respect because he treated her like a dog..not a misbehaving child. The first time she ignored him he went out, got hold of her collar and brought her in. Never saying one word to her in the process, neither praising or scolding.

    The difference was she knew I wouldn't go out and make her come in..but he would.

    So altho I know you have medical problems you must try some Tough Love..or invite Ron to come and live with you.

    :P :P :P

    Dee

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  • Sunny
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    Yeah, maybe I'll try the treadmill if this icky weather lasts too much longer. I guess I'm just worried that my relationship with Tommy will be further inhibited if I try something that doesn't go well. Maybe I'll take him down to the treadmill and see what he thinks of it. I guess as long as I take it slow enough there shouldn't be any harm done should he decide it's not for him.

    Thanks again for your help with this. I can't imagine how much more lost I would feel if I didn't have this group. I only hope I can actually contribute some day instead of always being the one with questions.

    Sunny

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  • witzn
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    I think you are right that the treadmill might not be right for him, but I don't think you need a special bond with the dog. If he is not generally sound sensitive he might actually like it. I wouldn't compare it to things like the chaos of people arriving home and such, it's much more predictable and he might like that - that and the idea he has a "job" to do being on it. If he was able to deal with the sound of it and like it, it could be something ~for~ you to bond with him over.

    Sandy
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  • Sunny
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    Thanks for the link to the treadmill page, Sandy. After reading through it, however, I don't think this is going to be a good idea for Tommy. It looks like you have to have a strong bond and a high level of trust with a dog before introducing a treadmill. I do not yet have that type of relationship with Tommy. He is very skiddish with movements and noises around him. If I hadn't been the one who raised him from 6 weeks old I would have sworn he was abused. If someone moves quickly near him, he flinches as if expecting to be hit. When the kids and my husband come home in the afternoon, he gets very nervous and the pacing gets much worse. The high level of activity really stresses him. The treadmill is a good idea, though, and something I'll keep in mind should things improve with Tommy to a point where I think he can try it.

    After having yet another day to think about it, I realize that raising Tommy is just something I have to learn to adjust to. We were playing together for a bit this afternoon and he was quite wonderful. I don't know what his issue is with being outside and I certainly don't get the whole eating of the doggy poo thing. However, at this point, I guess I'm going to have to hang in there and try to be as patient as humanly possible. I get little glimpses every now and then of what kind of dog he can be some day and it's pretty great. I just hope he does eventually get there - for his sake as well as mine.

    Thanks for all of your support yet again. I think having this list is the best chance Tommy and I have of getting through his issues and my lack of skills in helping him.

    You guys are terrific!

    Sunny

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  • XcelDanes
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    Thansk for the link Ive considered getting a tread mill as too icy and cold here to use golf cart to road work this time of year.

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  • witzn
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    I understand that Tommy has issues beyond having too much exercise, but I think because of his age, and the nature of dogs, having extra energy is not helping his underlying problems.

    I have not trained a dog for a treadmill, but did find this article that sounded very reasonable - I would reinforce their comments about taking it one step at a time and always attending the dog:

    http://www.crsar.com/Treadmill%20Training.htm

    Also if he has issues about sound or being spooky, he might not go for this at all, but IMO it would be worth a shot.

    Sandy

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  • XcelDanes
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    Does the other 2 dogs go out now?Im trying to think of ways he will bond to you more may hes too bonded to the other dogs.I no my male especialy is literaly glued to my side 24/7 to the point I take him with me most time.

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  • Sunny
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    >What sort of exercise can the dog get if you can't take him
    >outside? I imagine that is part of the reason he's pacing.
    >Left on his own outside, he's not going to get much
    >constructive exercise.
    >

    Hi Sandy!

    Up until recently, Tommy was getting to play outside with my other two dogs. We have 3 acres and they would run like crazy as long as I would let them. When the weather was warmer, I would throw tennis balls and a frisbee for them to chase. We also have woods and a creek to play in. My husband and I both took the dogs on walks around our neighborhood, which is about 2 miles around, as well as a park that's just up the road. I spend every second I can outside during the warmer months because I am so trapped once winter comes. When I'm outside, my dogs are out with me. The trouble with Tommy began long before he was out alone with just the other two dogs. In fact, there were issues from the time we brought him home. They just progressed until reaching the point we are at now. Now, of course, Tommy isn't getting any real time outside because he is now eating his own poo as well as refusing to come in when the temps are dangerously low.


    >If your situation with the weather is that serious, I might
    >consider training him to go on a treadmill.

    I never thought of using a treadmill. I have no idea how to begin training on such a thing. We have a treadmill in our basement, so if you can help with that, I'd certainly be willing to try it.


    >
    >As to the yard, I don't recall if it was discussed - Can you
    >set up a kennel run for the dog? Small enough that you can
    >catch the dog easily? They sell the panels at most
    >hardware/home stores.

    Setting up a kennel is an option. I had really hoped to work things out with Tommy so that he wouldn't have to be restricted like that, but it's definitely something I can do.


    >
    >Do you have a garage or shed or other outbuilding? This might
    >be an option to either let him hang out in do some
    >constructive things with the dog so he thinks he "went
    >somewhere" but it's not as cold for you.

    No good outbuildings to use. I wish that someone would open an indoor park around here for dogs. As crappy as our weather is most of the time, I think it would be a pretty successful venture.

    Thanks for all of your help. Please let me know if you can offer any tips with the treadmill thing. That might be fun to try.

    Sunny

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