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    Hi everyone!

    Sorry for bothering all of you with yet another long rant about Tommy. It's just that we really need you!

    I have been tying Tommy to a clothesline whenever he wants to go outside. After a week of trying, things aren't going so well. Tommy will pace around the back door to go out but will start to run as soon as he sees me coming as though he suddenly remembers he's going to be tied to that rope. I have to catch him and basically drag him outside. Once out, he will stand frozen like a statue until I let him back in. I've left him out as long as 30 minutes but he refuses to move. As soon as he is back in the house, he starts frantically pacing at the back door again. He sees me come, starts to run, I have to catch him, hook him on the clothesline, drag him back outside, and he stands frozen again until I let him back in. This process repeats itself several times until finally Tommy can't hold things anymore and he is forced to do his business outside. Of course, he still won't move. He just does his thing wherever he happens to stop after I've pulled him out the door.

    I can't let Tommy stand outside any longer that 30 minutes because it has been so cold here. Some days our high temperature is only 10 degrees. I thought I would try not letting him out right away when he starts pacing. I figured if I waited long enough, he'd be unable to be so stubborn about going outside and would do his business on the first trip out. Well, he peed on my kitchen floor. ;(

    Over the weekend I thought I would try letting him outside again without the clothesline. I figured I'd try coaxing him in with a treat. Well, apparently, Tommy has found a treat outside that he likes better than anything I could possibly offer him - frozen dog poop. Yep, that's right. Tommy has decided that eating his newfound popsicles is the best thing ever. He runs out into the yard, digs through the snow until he finds a nice pile and then proceeds to eat it. I tried shaking his food bowl filled with food, rattling cheese wrappers and showing him handfuls of dog biscuits but Tommy will not come in until he finishes his outdoor treat.

    Of course, I had to try my new approach a couple of times just to make sure it wasn't a onetime thing and soon discovered it wasn't. He did it every single time I let him out. Just to make sure I was thoroughly punished for my stupidity, Tommy started throwing up off and on thanks, I'm sure, to the bad effects dog poo must have had on his already sensitive system.

    So, now we are back to the clothesline.

    I am getting really desperate with this dog. I feel like everything I do is wrong. I am playing with him. I make sure I give him a treat every time he comes in (even when I help him in using the clothesline). I feed him Canidae dog food to make sure he gets a healthy diet. I am home full time and I pet him every time I walk past. No matter what I do, though, this dog just seems to be digging his heals in further and further and I just don't know what to do.

    I know things take time, but I feel like I'm making no forward progress with Tommy. He does seem to be doing better in the house but, when he's outside, all bets are still off. I can't play with him or train him outside yet because the weather has been far too cold. I think (hope) things will get better once I can. Any suggestions on what else I can try in the meantime? Also, is it possible for a dog simply to not like someone? Could it be that there is something about me that Tommy just doesn't care for?

    Thanks a million!

    Sunny

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    RE: More Tommy stuff - ugh!

    Are you going out there when he is on the rope?

    Can you leash walk him out there & slowly increase the length of the leash to a longer length? Ie. make a rope 6 ft long, then one 10 feet long etc.? You can put clasps on the end of the rope to give it a leash feel instead of tying it on his collar.

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      RE: More Tommy stuff - ugh!

      >Are you going out there when he is on the rope?
      >
      >Can you leash walk him out there & slowly increase the length
      >of the leash to a longer length? Ie. make a rope 6 ft long,
      >then one 10 feet long etc.?

      This is something I can maybe try once the weather is warmer. I am not physically able to be outside when the temps are below 50 degrees. My asthma has gotten much worse in the past few years and winter is no longer my friend. In fact, my husband and I are actively looking at options to relocate to a warmer climate. I just don't think I'm gonna make it with Tommy that long and warm weather is a long way off around here. I really need some suggestions on things I can try in the meantime.

      You can put clasps on the end of
      >the rope to give it a leash feel instead of tying it on his
      >collar.
      >

      I actually did tie a clasp onto the end of the clothesline so it does attach to his collar just like his leash. I thought that would make things easier - too bad Tommy doesn't agree!

      Thanks!

      Sunny

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      • #4
        RE: More Tommy stuff - ugh!

        I'm so sorry, have you tried those fleece circle things that cover your mouth/nose & goes up as high as you need it too. I stay very toasty in mine.

        Did you mean 50 below or 50 degrees? I'd kill for that kind of weather.....

        Mitch

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          >I'm so sorry, have you tried those fleece circle things that
          >cover your mouth/nose & goes up as high as you need it too. I
          >stay very toasty in mine.
          >
          >Did you mean 50 below or 50 degrees? I'd kill for that kind
          >of weather.....


          Have tried everything. Currently, I am pretty much housebound with a respiratory therapist coming 3 days/week. None of the usual drugs are working anymore and the specialist is talking oxygen tank. Yes, life is good....

          I did actually mean 50 degrees. Right now, I'd kill for that kind of weather, as well.

          Sunny

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          • #6
            RE: More Tommy stuff - ugh!

            I feel for your situation, and not to sound at all unsympathetic, but without your being able to go out with him, it's not likely to improve any. I can suggest the obvious, find a dogwalker, or neighbor etc. that can help you, but it's obvious he's not going to go out there alone tethered.

            If your husband can handle the weather better, maybe he can do it in the mornings & evenings to help him get over his fear of the rope, but that's the best I can suggest.

            Mitch

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              RE: More Tommy stuff - ugh!

              Thanks Mitch,

              I've been thinking the same thing so far as not moving forward until I can get outside with Tommy. I feel like the stars have lined up against me because my husband is currently traveling. When he is home, he helps a lot - he's just not home right now. I just don't want to mess things up with Tommy while we wait for the weather and such to get better.

              Such is life,

              Sunny

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              • #8
                RE: More Tommy stuff - ugh!

                Why is he tied to line?Do you have a fence?How old is he?Sorry if I missed it when reading the post.


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                  RE: More Tommy stuff - ugh!

                  >Why is he tied to line?Do you have a fence?How old is
                  >he?Sorry if I missed it when reading the post.
                  >

                  Tommy is being tied to a line because he will not come in the house once he is outside. It has taken me over an hour to get him in the house even when the temps outside are near zero. When I go outside to get him, he runs from me. I honestly think he would die from the cold rather than come in.

                  We have an invisible fence so he does not leave the yard, but that isn't the problem. He is perfectly happy in the yard. It's being in the house he can't seem to enjoy.

                  Tommy is nearly 11 months old.

                  Sunny

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                  • #10
                    RE: More Tommy stuff - ugh!

                    Poor Tommy was he raised outside?Maybe thats why he has these issues?

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                      Lisa,
                      Go to this link for background. http://www.danesonline.com/dc/dcboar...d=40410&page=4

                      Bill Carnes
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                      Bill Carnes

                      "Causing pain, either physical, mental, or emotional to an animal to force him to act as you think he should is wrong. Doing so only reflects the ignorance of the trainer. There IS a better way."
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                      • #12
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                        THANKS!

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                        • #13
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                          What sort of exercise can the dog get if you can't take him outside? I imagine that is part of the reason he's pacing. Left on his own outside, he's not going to get much constructive exercise.

                          If your situation with the weather is that serious, I might consider training him to go on a treadmill.

                          As to the yard, I don't recall if it was discussed - Can you set up a kennel run for the dog? Small enough that you can catch the dog easily? They sell the panels at most hardware/home stores.

                          Do you have a garage or shed or other outbuilding? This might be an option to either let him hang out in do some constructive things with the dog so he thinks he "went somewhere" but it's not as cold for you.

                          Sandy

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                          • #14
                            RE: More Tommy stuff - ugh!

                            >What sort of exercise can the dog get if you can't take him
                            >outside? I imagine that is part of the reason he's pacing.
                            >Left on his own outside, he's not going to get much
                            >constructive exercise.
                            >

                            Hi Sandy!

                            Up until recently, Tommy was getting to play outside with my other two dogs. We have 3 acres and they would run like crazy as long as I would let them. When the weather was warmer, I would throw tennis balls and a frisbee for them to chase. We also have woods and a creek to play in. My husband and I both took the dogs on walks around our neighborhood, which is about 2 miles around, as well as a park that's just up the road. I spend every second I can outside during the warmer months because I am so trapped once winter comes. When I'm outside, my dogs are out with me. The trouble with Tommy began long before he was out alone with just the other two dogs. In fact, there were issues from the time we brought him home. They just progressed until reaching the point we are at now. Now, of course, Tommy isn't getting any real time outside because he is now eating his own poo as well as refusing to come in when the temps are dangerously low.


                            >If your situation with the weather is that serious, I might
                            >consider training him to go on a treadmill.

                            I never thought of using a treadmill. I have no idea how to begin training on such a thing. We have a treadmill in our basement, so if you can help with that, I'd certainly be willing to try it.


                            >
                            >As to the yard, I don't recall if it was discussed - Can you
                            >set up a kennel run for the dog? Small enough that you can
                            >catch the dog easily? They sell the panels at most
                            >hardware/home stores.

                            Setting up a kennel is an option. I had really hoped to work things out with Tommy so that he wouldn't have to be restricted like that, but it's definitely something I can do.


                            >
                            >Do you have a garage or shed or other outbuilding? This might
                            >be an option to either let him hang out in do some
                            >constructive things with the dog so he thinks he "went
                            >somewhere" but it's not as cold for you.

                            No good outbuildings to use. I wish that someone would open an indoor park around here for dogs. As crappy as our weather is most of the time, I think it would be a pretty successful venture.

                            Thanks for all of your help. Please let me know if you can offer any tips with the treadmill thing. That might be fun to try.

                            Sunny

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                              Does the other 2 dogs go out now?Im trying to think of ways he will bond to you more may hes too bonded to the other dogs.I no my male especialy is literaly glued to my side 24/7 to the point I take him with me most time.

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