I have reaqd with interest (and posted once) about dogs biting, growling, etc. I have a 6 1/2 month Male GD and have been battling this issue from day one. I got him when he was 9 weeks. As I posted before, he is a singleton, probably in an outside kennel alone before I got him. We have been in training for over 2 1/2 months. He waits until told to eat, I go out the door first, etc. I take him out for exercise every day. His issues seem to be when he gets over excited, which can happen over anything. I have tried to walk away, but he follows and bites. I have tied him to the door knob, he bites until I can get him tied and get away. Last night was the last straw. We went to the woods and walked for 50 minutes, so he had pleanty of exercise. Later in the evening I had bought a new toy. A ball with treats that fall out when rolled. When it was bed time, I took him out. He was a little excited from playing and when I get my gloves on he always lunges for those. When we got outside, he started to run and jump ( he's on a leash) and all of a sudden he jumped on me and started to bite and growl. I am 30-40 yards from the house with no way to get away. I ended up putting him down on his side, which he never stopped fighting. The only thing that made it stop was he heard a noise and got distracted. I am heartbroken and don't want to send him away. I'm not sure who would take him with this personality. I'm sorry this is so long, but I am at the end of my rope.
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Is he biting out of aggressivness or just rambunctious play biting?
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I wasn't there, but to me, at his age, and if no skin was broken, he was trying to initiate rough play as he would with another puppy. He probably doesn't understand proper play cues since he was so isolated as a puppy. How much socialization has he had with other dogs? It really sounds to me like inapropriate social cues...if he were "aggressive" he'd be doing damage from an altercation like that, and I'm not talking scratches from teeth.
By no means am I trying to minimize the issue, however, whatever it is it needs to be addressed and brought under control. I'd get professional help for that myself.Comment
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While the pup may be strong willed, it doesn't sound like he necessarily has a temperament issue. He is a rambunctious puppy, lacking some manners. From the sounds of it, would have helped him had he been raised the first nine weeks is a better environment.
You don't mention if you have taken any obedience classes with him yet? Find and enroll in an obedience class ASAP. It will help you gain control over the little wild man.
The bigger and older he gets, the more challenging obedience classes will become.
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I didn't see any mention of NILIF. Did you research that and implement it? If so and still haven't had results, you are in over your head and need some professional help. We are limited here with the help we can give. We can tell you what to do but we aren't there with you to point out what, if anything, you are doing wrong. We can't see what signals you are giving your dog unintentionally. I suggest you find a good animal behaviorist or a good positive trainer to go to your home and see what is going on.
It is still possible that the dog has some damage. No one can tell for sure by internet. I think you are beyond help from us at this point and need some in person help. Classes won't do you any good. The behaviorist needs to see your dog in his home environment.
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Have you tried time outs, when he acts like this? I can imagine how you feel. Probably a little scared. Don't be. He has got to know who the boss is. Try time outs every single time he bites. Maybe he'll get the message. Good Luck.
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If you are physically unable to handle the dog and are afraid for your well being, then maybe he is not the right dog for you.
Have you talked to the breeder about this? Have you had any sort of trainer help you? You need someone experienced to help you in person.
You also mentioned he got "plenty of exercise". IMO if it was all on leash, it was not "plenty".
People can be seriously injured from a friendly happy puppy, please try to find some dane or big dog people in your area that might be able to help you.
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This is a 6 month old puppy. I'm sorry but if a 6 month old puppy can keep you from being able to get to your house I am not sure you should own a Dane.
Does "Dog" not have a name?
You say you got him at 9 weeks and have been training him for 2.5 months, and he is 6.5 months now. No training the rest of the time?
How does this dog spend the day?
You tied the dog to a doorknob?? Have you taken any classes with him?
Where are you located? If someone here is near you it might be very helpful to have someone Dane-experienced evaluate what is going on here.
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Ali and Sandy,
Go here for the earliest information on this puppy.
http://www.danesonline.com/dc/dcboar...d=40636&page=3
I think you will understand a little better what is going on in this case.
Bill Carnes
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"Causing pain, either physical, mental, or emotional to an animal to force him to act as you think he should is wrong. Doing so only reflects the ignorance of the trainer. There IS a better way."
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Thanks Bill.
Bec, I'm around a lot of Dane puppies...well-bred, not well-bred..and I have seen pups who are certainly more challenging and dominant, but never truly aggressive.
Once you've been a full-grown Dane ma (or pa) a 6 month old is like a little baby. Even my Hank who I got at 90 lbs and totally untrained (left loose on a farm with his sister) was just a baby. Even if a 6 month old pup were being aggressive to me, its not something that I would feel frightened by. You've got to be able to take charge.
Corrections need not ever be harsh. Remember you are guiding your puppy. You're the mommy!
Do you have times when you two do bond? Or are you always having problems? Has this pup been good and tired out with play?
I really think having someone Dane-experienced come evaluate the pup would be a good idea. Your confidence in handling this dog is VERY important, now and as he grows. If you'll let us know what area you are in, perhaps one of us is nearby.
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Here is how I handled a mouthy Lab puppy as well as my found Dane.
I always gave them a toy to chew on rather than me when we played or cuddled, soon they started to bring the toy to me when they want to cuddle or play. They needed something to mouth or bite, it seemed to be a soothing kind of need for them, like a baby pacifier.
As soon as their teeth touched skin, the play or cuddle would be stopped, I say "No" and the toy is put back in the mouth. When we went for walks, the toy was given to them before the leash is pulled out. No toy in mouth, no leash. No toy, no cuddle. They got it and we don't even need the toys now. But, I am no pro with dogs so who knows. Can't hurt to try it.Comment
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I will try to answer as many of the questions as I can. His name is Wyatt. I got him when he was a little over 9 weeks. We started training classes at 12 weeks. He was neutered and dew claws taken off, so he took two weeks to recover before we started formal classes. Most of his exercise is off the leash. We live in Michigan. We go for walks in the woods or at the golf course 45-50 minutes everyday unless the weather is dangerous to be out that long. In those cases we take him out to our back yard and have him romp thru snow drifts, throwing ball, etc. Wyatt gets this crazy with me, not as bad with my husband. I am his main care giver. When I go into my bedroom, he goes into his crate until I come out, even if other family members are home. If he lays on the floor and I get down to pet him, it can only last a little while before he bites. He also spins in circles on the rug, panting, immediately after we come in from a long walk in the woods. He seems to me to be stressed. When this happened last night, he had been playing with a new toy, and started panting, even though he wasn't exerting himself. Bill, I did read the site you sent regarding NILIF. I think I do this, but maybe I'm not doing it enough. I make him wait b4 feeding, getting a bone, sit before treats, etc. Thank you all so much for listening. I guess it would be great to hear from someone who had this type of experience with a pup and have a happy ending. I have had a great dane before, female. She's been gone about 4 years. I just got to the point where I could think about another one.Comment
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Full medical work up.. and private obedience classes.
Thats what I would be doing, if Wyatt were my dog.
Where is the breeder in all of this?... are they of any help?
It's time to crank up the heat a little. Wyatt does not respect you, and his behaviour is dangerous -both to you, and himself. Do the dog a favour and find a GOOD trainer today. Set your mind to "fixing" this problem... if you cant, perhaps its time to look into another home for him?.. It's obvious how much you love him, afterall you're here.. posting about getting help. But, when it comes to training advice nothing can replace an experienced trainer *physically* right in front of you.
Good Luck, it's going to be a tough road. But get on it now.. and at least you have a fighting chance. Deco was a very naughty puppy. He was all over everyone, into everything... he was mouthy, sassy... really quite a handful. But he was always obedient. I kept him in school for what felt like forever, I thought he was going to fail novice obedience.. lol, all he had to do was sit still -and even that was a challenge. Without school, his behaviour would have been exactly like Wyatt's... and my post(s) would have been very similar. Obedience classes give a dog confidence, guidance and really strike up a bond between the handler and the dog. As bad as Deco was sometimes.. I always knew that if I really had to put my foot down, he would listen. There IS hope, and there is light at the end of the tunnel. My pup was a challenge, maybe not more than any other Dane..
I don't know. But his early years were very educational -for both of us
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My danes always come in from outside, in a crazy way, you'd think running for an hour & being together they would not come in acting like they've never seen each other before but they do, Elliott moreso than Gus does it. He runs in, pounces on Gus, bounces of the couch & sometimes gets so excited he zoomies, why I don't know but it's not anything concerning as I tell him to settle down & after a second he does, begrudgingly.
This all really sounds like overly excited puppy behavior.
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He doesnt sound aggressive to me just out of control puppy.Like said he doesnt repect you and is doing what he wants.I think you can work through this with firm training and NILIF Bill posted make him earn everything.Teach him when its appropriate to play and when to behave.Hes a baby and with tough love should calm down.
ETA:He needs this nipped in the bud now or youll have an uncontrolled 180lb dog soon.
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