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    Hello DOL members, firstly thank you for all the wonderful information everyone shares on this site, it has been helpful. My husband and I got our Dane in late December from a breeder in upstate NY. She is the sweetest blue merle. We just love her. My husband's family had a Dane. I grew up with big dogs and got my own Rhodesian in NYC in 2001. My Rhodie died a few years ago and I finally felt ready with my husband to get a dog of our own. We are big dog people.
    One issue we are finding is the amount of information out there on Danes - online, books etc and some of it conflicting - i.e. food, medication, exercise, socialization etc. Because of their size we are learning there is a very specific science to ensuring their health. We will do anything that is correct to make sure she is healthy and happy (but of course are trying to ensure we arent creating a brat or over feeding her as enthusiastic 'new dane parents'). We have been following Jan Fennell's training (amichien bonding) which worked well for the Rhodie.
    She is 5 months old this weekend, 25 inches tall and 52 lbs. She is skinny (by the GD growth charts). We have been checking to see if she has any cow hocking or anything that indicates any issues but she doesnt seem to be. Her spine is very slightly curved. We've read about 'flat foot' but dont really understand what that is. Her energy levels vary, some days bouncing off walls, others mellow and sleepy. We feed her Blue Wilderness & Taste of the Wild (because we are moving her to all TOTW, I read on here that it is the best for Danes). We mix with Blue canned wet food. She is fed three times a day, in total about 6-8 cups and about a half tin of wet food. We occasionally mix in a little chicken of our own, or some cheese or chicken broth with the food. She gets some treats - all natural.
    We both work full time Monday to Friday but Kelp is not alone for long.
    Because the weather has been so very cold and horrid (temps as low as minus 15C, much snow and ice) we havent taken her outside a lot since we got her, just the odd walk (one a week?) to the dog run for a short time. She gets cold very quickly and dog coats dont help. When we first got her I was off work for a few weeks so I spent time with her. Then we had a 'dog nanny' (our friend) that came for 5 hours every week day to our apartment to play with, hug and feed her. After her last shot (at about 4 months) we arranged for her to go to doggy daycare for 5 hours about four days a week. She is generally with small dogs and constantly supervised by several people. The doggy daycare is pristine, there are beds, the dogs are smaller and good natured, we dont perceive any issues there and the owner is incredibly sweet with Kelp, really caring. Kelp seems to absolutely love going there.
    She is only ever alone any day for about 3 hours in her crate - she loves her crate - filled with blankets and her soft bed. When she is out she is always supervised. In the evenings during the week when we get home we play with her if she wants or just let her sleep.
    Our biggest concern is her weight & finding a good dane vet in NYC. Also we havent been treating her with worm tablets. She had a couple rounds when she was younger but Ive read conflicting info on this (do/dont??) Our vet is nice but doesnt know big breeds and we are not confident in her advice. I am worried Kelp got her rabies shot too young? We did everything we were advised by both breeder and vet.
    We would love to find a big breed savvy vet. I looked on here but there doesnt seem to be any in the city?
    Truly we would appreciate any help or advice. We are not at all egotistical about this, if we are making mistakes we are very open to being told that, learning and doing the best we can. Kelpie is the sweetest most loving gentle dog on the planet and she really deserves the best.
    We look forward to learning more.
    Cally
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    Welcome, she is beautiful!

    Maybe you could contact your nearest Great Dane club to see if they can refer you to anyone?
    http://www.greatdaneclubofwny.com/
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    • #3
      Thank you! Your doggies are beautiful - is one black or is that a lab? Kelps Mum was all black. I know Im being indulgent but here are a few more pics. The one of her on my lap is the most recent at 18.5 weeks
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      • #4
        How old was she in the picture? How big were her parents? How big are her siblings? Maybe you can posts some more pictures of her from different angles. The best way to assess weight if from body condition. The chart is only a guideline. Please don't take this the wrong way... but are you sure she is all dane? To my eye it seems like she may either be a mix or from poor breeding. Maybe its just the angle of the picture/pose she's in. But this may explain why she seems small compared to the dane growth charts.

        EDIT- I saw more pictures, I think she looks more dane in those so I may be off base here.

        Finding a large/giant breed vet in the city may be hard? I think probably there is less of a need for them? I'd go with what GraciesMama said, or perhaps someone else on here is in NY and can give advice on a vet!

        It seems like your guys really care for her and are trying your hardest to be the best doggie parents! Thats really good. You guys seem to be doing well.

        A few comments~ Does your dog daycare separate by size? This is a good thing for rambunctious dane pups and teenagers. Don't want to squish a teacup pup accidentally when your dane zooms! It's good to play with other dogs, but its also good for her to learn to ignore them completely. Make sure you are also walking her and teaching her to ignore dogs and walk past them nicely (I wish I'd spent more time on this and less time letting him greet/play! Now he thinks all dogs are playmates! ). I'd make sure you are socializing her despite the cold. Several times a week (if not every day) she should be out and about, go to stores that allow pets if you have to. I've found that on a normal walk at my pace on leash, Eli gets very cold, but a hike where he can run off leash the cold doesn't bother him. If you can go out of the city on the weekend for a few hours and let her run around she'd probably love it! If you havent had her off leash yet, 5 months is a good time to start imo. Pick up a long line and start on that, when she's reliable with her recall you can work her up to being off. Also, have you been to puppy class yet? This is a good idea for all pups.
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        • #5
          Thank you GraciesMama & Tiva. I sincerely appreciate your taking the time to reply. Thank you too for the wee confidence boost - we really do worry about whats best for her! Going in we felt sure we had a lot of good 'big dog in the city' background but the feeding etc is much more complex for a Dane and can (seemingly) be seriously detrimental if done wrong. I contacted the Western NY group, it looks to be like a club that is quite far away from NYC - which has been the problem I have found in general with most NY Dane organisations, so the knowledge is limited on city Dane experience.
          Do you worm your dogs and did you worm them as puppies?

          Tiva - yes they separated by size at the daycare but Kelps is usually with the smaller dogs. Kelps is very gentle, we actually arent sure she should be in with big dogs, she is too young and we worry about her fragile growing bones and too much exercise. Her bff is a blind French Bulldog and they seem to love each other. YES! we definitely need to train her on the lead, she is bad but to be fair she hasnt been on the lead a lot because it is so cold outside. We have trained her a little inside. Waiting for this freeze to break and def going to lead train lots. We also want to enroll her in puppy classes but again arent sure 'standard' ones are good - perhaps a big breed specialist class would be better? Or at least a trainer that has good big breed experience. Thats one of the things we are hoping someone can recommend....
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          • #6
            i don't have any advice but just wanted to welcome you to the forums and say your pup is a cutie patootie!!
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            • #7
              Hi your pup is adorable, I have a merle too and when we first took him to vet he had roundworms, he had been treated once at the breeder, but he had two more doses with our vet and he is on monthly heart worm. Worms are all gone now.
              Originally posted by caledonia View Post
              Thank you GraciesMama & Tiva. I sincerely appreciate your taking the time to reply. Thank you too for the wee confidence boost - we really do worry about whats best for her! Going in we felt sure we had a lot of good 'big dog in the city' background but the feeding etc is much more complex for a Dane and can (seemingly) be seriously detrimental if done wrong. I contacted the Western NY group, it looks to be like a club that is quite far away from NYC - which has been the problem I have found in general with most NY Dane organisations, so the knowledge is limited on city Dane experience.
              Do you worm your dogs and did you worm them as puppies?

              Tiva - yes they separated by size at the daycare but Kelps is usually with the smaller dogs. Kelps is very gentle, we actually arent sure she should be in with big dogs, she is too young and we worry about her fragile growing bones and too much exercise. Her bff is a blind French Bulldog and they seem to love each other. YES! we definitely need to train her on the lead, she is bad but to be fair she hasnt been on the lead a lot because it is so cold outside. We have trained her a little inside. Waiting for this freeze to break and def going to lead train lots. We also want to enroll her in puppy classes but again arent sure 'standard' ones are good - perhaps a big breed specialist class would be better? Or at least a trainer that has good big breed experience. Thats one of the things we are hoping someone can recommend....

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              • #8
                Thank you Krypto! Love your merle, so cute!!
                Do you know what kind of worm med they used? Did they do a fecal test? Did they test for heart worm? Do you worm yourself now with OTC meds? (sorry lots qus!)

                ** actually there is quite a bit on worming in this forum that covers my qu's, i am off reading up and doing my due diligence! ** Thank you!
                Last edited by caledonia; 03-03-2015, 11:51 AM.

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                • #9
                  I wouldn't worry much about her weight, better too thin than overweight. It is a constant struggle to maintain body condition when they're young...you'll get them looking perfect and the next week they have another growth spurt and they look ribby again.

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                  • #10
                    Hi Caledonia! Your baby is so cute! I also have a merle, so I love them! About the worms.... does she currently have worms? Did your breeder do the couple deworming treatments with the vet before you brought her home? Once I had Zara, at her vet check, she was checked for worms and had the fecal test. Both came back negative so she is just on monthly heartworm from the vet. I would have to look at see what kind I am buying for her b/c I honestly do not remember. I just know that it is a combination for heartworm and fleas.
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                    • #11
                      Welcome! Just wanted to say that you could also check to see if there any reputable breeders in NY that might be able to point you in the right direction. You can go to the Great Dane club of America website to the breeder referral section to see if there are any in NY. I know of at least one blue breeder there. Even if they don't live in NYC, they might be able to recommend someone. And still check with your nearest dane club, even if they're not that close. Good breeders network quite a bit.
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                      • #12
                        jrturk - that may be the cutest picture I have ever seen! both those babies are gorgeous!! Thank you for your advice, that does make me feel better, I just have to keep doing the right thing.
                        Im going to get a fecal test done, I really dont think she has worms but Id like to be sure and Ill get her on the prevent meds.

                        Thank you Daniellelc - impossible to not love the quirky colour of each merle! If you have a good big breed vet i would love to know what kind of preventative worm meds they recommended.

                        Great advice oshagcj914, I have contacted the main one and will ask around. Many thanks to everyone.

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                        • #13
                          Generally, your breeder will deworm all pups before sending them home. Then you will test them at your first vet appointment. Usually pups will not have worms, so you wont deworm again. If the pup does have worms, the vet will give you medication for them. Then they will re-test after the meds are done and hopefully it cleared up. Some types of parasite (like giardia) are notorious for lasting for a long time and being hard to get rid of. But many clear up completely in 1 round of de-wormer. I (personally) wouldn't use over the counter meds for deworming, I just dont see a need for it. Test the stool again if you are worried. If she's positive the vet will give you medication for her.

                          And honestly I wouldn't worry a crazy amount about having a giant breed vet. You can and should see if there's one around, but don't kill yourself over it. There are some health issues that are specific to giant breeds but in general a dog is a dog. If the vet is a great vet then they should be keeping up to date with current research anyway.

                          As far as looking for classes, no you don't need a specific class for large/giant breeds. Just find a qualified trainer who uses current, science based methods. If you see the terms "dominance", "pack leader", "alpha", or any such nonsense on their website or in their advertising, runnnnnn run away. If they jerk your dog around, insist you use a chain or prong collar, ask you to use an ecollar or for them to use it on your dog, use force against your dog, or intimidate your dog, ask for your money back and walk out!The most common things that danes have trouble with (in my opinion) are just due to their size. Like counter surfing, pushing peoples personal space, getting too rambunctious, strong pulling on the leash, etc. But many large dogs have these same issues.

                          Group classes are very good to go to for young pups but private lessons are great too. I've done both and I love my private lessons because I have my trainers complete attention. When I had Eli in puppy class, frequently when he was doing something naughty and I needed help the trainer was off showing some noob how to make their dog sit! So private lessons were more my thing. Now that he is much better behaved we get more out of the group classes. Just something to think about!
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                          • #14
                            Do you have a car? Where exactly are you located? I am in northern NJ (probably a 45min drive from NYC) so if NJ vets are an option I may be able to help. Also this trainer (http://www.ourgangpetservices.com/) is very much like my trainer and she is not far from NY (but in NJ). If she is too far she may be able to recommend someone in the city. She has been training long enough to know the good people around here.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by caledonia View Post
                              Thank you! Your doggies are beautiful - is one black or is that a lab? Kelps Mum was all black. I know Im being indulgent but here are a few more pics. The one of her on my lap is the most recent at 18.5 weeks
                              Thanks! Gracie is black-- she's in all of my signature pics, just different lighting makes her look different colors! She is a rescue, (so no doubt very poorly bred) and she is very small-- we thought she had to be part lab too, but according to the DNA test, she's all Dane. Just little!

                              Your girl is adorable, please keep posting pics!
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