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    I have always heard that a raised food bowl/stand for great danes is great for digestion and bloat prevention. However I have just come across some information that contradicts everything I have heard. This is an article from Perdue Univ on non-dietary causes of bloat. I am interested to see what your thoughts are on this......espically the last paragraph..

    Non-dietary risk factors for gastric dilatation-volvulus in large and giant breed dogs
    (Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, Vol. 217, No. 10, November 15, 2000)

    Objective-To identify non-dietary risk factors for gastric dilatation-volvulus (GDV) in large breed and giant breed dogs.

    Design-Prospective cohort study.

    Animals-1,637 dogs >- 6 months old of the following breeds: Akita, Bloodhound, Collie, Great Dane, Irish Setter, Irish Wolfhound, Newfoundland, Rottweiler, Saint Bernard, Standard Poodle, and Weimaraner.

    Owners of dogs that did not have a history of GDV were recruited at dog shows, and the dog's length and height and the depth and width of its thorax and abdomen were measured. Information concerning the dog's medical history, genetic background, personality, and diet was obtained from the owners, and owners were contacted by mail and telephone at approximately 1-year intervals to determine whether dogs had developed GDV or died. Incidence of GDV, calculated on the basis of dogyears at risk for dogs that were or were not exposed to potential risk factors, was used to calculate the relative risk of GDV.

    Results and Clinical Relevance-Cumulative incidence of GDV during the study was 6% for large breed and giant breed dogs. Factors significantly associated with an increased risk of GDV were increasing age, having a first-degree relative with a history of GDV, having a faster speed of eating, and having a raised feeding bowl. Approximately 20 and 52% of cases of GDV among the large breed and giant breed dogs, respectively, were attributed to having a raised feed bowl. (J Am Vet Med Assoc 2000;217:1492-1499)


  • #2
    RE: raised food bowls cause bloat?

    I don't think if you raise the bowl or feed them off the ground has anything to do with bloat. About half of mine have raised bowls and the rest eat off the ground. I haven't had a case of bloat in well over 5 years.

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    • #3
      RE: raised food bowls cause bloat?

      I strongly believe that stress is a major factor in bloat. I have read all the studies and talked to alot of Dane owners about this issue and I decided to feed off of raised food bowls. Wait a couple of years, they will say that raised food bowls decrease bloat, and then they will change it again. This is an issue that has been debated back and forth and probably always will be until they find a reason behind it.
      Angie, proud mama to 1 Great Dane, Mira and 3 mixes, 1 cat, 3 snakes and fish...also mama to 3 y/o identical twin girls

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      • #4
        RE: raised food bowls cause bloat?

        I've had danes, two or more at a time, since 1968, and have always raised their bowls. I've never had a single case of bloat.

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        • #5
          RE: raised food bowls cause bloat?

          >I've had danes, two or more at a time, since 1968, and have
          >always raised their bowls. I've never had a single case of
          >bloat.

          Wow that is amazing! What is your secret??
          Angie, proud mama to 1 Great Dane, Mira and 3 mixes, 1 cat, 3 snakes and fish...also mama to 3 y/o identical twin girls

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          • #6
            RE: raised food bowls cause bloat?

            "Factors significantly associated with an increased risk of GDV were increasing age, having a first-degree relative with a history of GDV, having a faster speed of eating, and having a raised feeding bowl. Approximately 20 and 52% of cases of GDV among the large breed and giant breed dogs, respectively, were attributed to having a raised feed bowl."

            This is erroneously reported. The factors are correlatively associated, NOT causative. This means that Danes bloat often, and Danes are fed from raised bowls often. The above extrapolates that therefore the raised bowls cause bloat, even though no evidence exists to support that conclusion. To try making these factors causative would be similar to saying most redheads are tall, most redheads are freckled, and therefore being freckled is caused by being tall. Make any sense?

            Frankly I see no problem with raising bowls, we do for Emma for her comfort. Some Danes like to eat laying down, or from a bowl on the floor while standing. I don't think any of these things make a difference as to whether or not your Dane is going to bloat. I agree that stress is likely a larger factor in bloat than anything else, except maybe genetic predisposition (small pyloric valve).

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            • #7
              RE: raised food bowls cause bloat?

              "Wow that is amazing! What is your secret??"


              I wish I knew!

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              • #8
                RE: raised food bowls cause bloat?

                Anne explained this very well.
                The problem I have with this study is that I don't remember specific age groups and reports of incidence? (Shows how much credence I put into the whole thing)...Jo
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                • #9
                  RE: raised food bowls cause bloat?

                  I don't want to jinx myself or my dogs here but in 20 years of Dane ownership I've never had a case of bloat and my dad had them even longer then that and neither did he. Same with horses, I've had them my entire life (almost 50 years) and have only had 1 colic and that was because of a bad batch of feed. I've always fed my Danes from raised dishes and always will.


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                  • #10
                    RE: raised food bowls cause bloat?

                    I agree...when I saw this article I was a little taken back. I am a first time dane owner and I have 2 4 month old puppies. I thought it was a good thing to feed them on a raised food stand....looks like thats still true!

                    :e) :e) Thanks for all the great comments....Ivan and Sara will be keeping thier food stand :e) :e)

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                    • #11
                      RE: raised food bowls cause bloat?


                      Debbe's secret, I would bet...is there was no Bloat in any of her Dane's immediate family.

                      Dee
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                      • #12
                        RE: raised food bowls cause bloat?

                        And another point we should make here is raising food bowls helps with possibly preventing neck and back stresses and injuries. Like someone said to me a couple of months ago, a full grown dane looks like a giraffe when it eats off of the floor. I can imagine this repeated action would stress the spine and vertebrae.

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                        • #13
                          RE: raised food bowls cause bloat?

                          That's mainly why I raise my bowls. It just looks uncomfortable w/ them leaning down all the time. I've never had a dog lay down to eat though. ruby

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                          • #14
                            RE: raised food bowls cause bloat?

                            The participants were all volunteers. Under those conditions, it's hard to get the ages you'd like to have.

                            We don't condone studies with purchased dogs, and even if we did, the backgrounds of especially bred dogs would not accurately reflect those of the Great Danes out in the community.

                            And paying people (and their dogs to pariticipate) woud have so many inaccuracies that it wouldn't be worth the money. Even if someone would donate the money!

                            I believe they did a good job with what they had.

                            mp

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                            • #15
                              RE: raised food bowls cause bloat?

                              Hi, this is my first time posting on here. but I just wanted to let you know that a few month ago I had my dane (Darla) spayed and at the same time had her stomach tacked. At first I did not want to do the procedure but now my mind is at ease about having to worry about her bloating. I'm happy with my decision in having the procedure done, it is definately something to consider but nothing that should be forced upon an owner. I hope everything works out.
                              theresa

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