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    Some folks are particularly good at training for performance.

    While I understand the principles - consistency, repetition, exposure to obstacles, shaping... I am particularly interested in how all this plays out in daily life for those folks who consistently have happily responsive, reliable working Great Danes - in whatever performance venue you compete in.

    I have a fuzzy idea that there is so much more to it than "training." So I am interested in anything and everything - from daily puppy life - to training philosophy - to details of training (how often, how long, how varied, etc).

    So I would ask - In regard to raising and training for performance:

    Do you have a training philosophy?

    From puppyhood - do you have a progression of activities, training, activities, etc., that works for you?

    How integrated is training into your life? By this I mean do you use a nothing is free approach; utilize meal-times in training; how regimented are your daily activities?

    How often do you train at home vs. in public?

    Do you find particular exercises/concepts that are typically problematic? If so - how do you work through them?

    If you have had memorable difficulties in training a particular dog - what would you attribute it to & how did you overcome it?

    Do you see differences in training between Danes vs other dogs you might train with?



    I know this is a lot - but I would appreciate hearing any/all that people would like to share.
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  • #2
    lol

    ok - I'm guessing that was too many questions:-)

    Really - any insights are welcome
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    • #3
      I'm interested in this too.

      I wasn't planning to compete with Shamu in Obedience, so we weren't training her for that as a puppy, and there are some things I know I'll do differently with my next pup.

      But for what it worse, we were planning to do agility, so we started working toward agility pretty early.

      -Playing tug to build a 'drive' (and that we either over-did, or she had a very high drive already ) She loves loves loves playing with tug toy, and that makes agility training much easier!
      -fast 'down' command; down from 'stand' position without sitting first. But I believe now at least AKC changed requirements for table, and dog doesn't need to lay down.
      -keep her focus on a handler (still working on it...)
      -having her walk on both sides (unlike OB, in agility I often need her on my right side; and dogs who trained to walk only on the left just don't feel comfortable on the right!)
      And of course, she was introduced to 'baby' versions of all agility equipment pretty early.

      Originally posted by my3bbdanes View Post
      How often do you train at home vs. in public?
      I use every chance to work with her in different places; parks, walks, different training facilities, matches, shows, etc. Especially on the grass; NO SNIFFING! This is where a lot of dogs are having issues in the ring!

      Originally posted by my3bbdanes View Post
      Do you find particular exercises/concepts that are typically problematic? If so - how do you work through them?
      If you have had memorable difficulties in training a particular dog - what would you attribute it to & how did you overcome it?
      I was told not to train 'show puppy' a 'sit' command and automatic sit, and now it is our biggest challenge. She is so S*L*O*W on sit! and she doesn't do automatic sit; she was trained NOT to sit so now it makes it harder to re-teach. This is why we do Rally but not OB.
      another problem is position. She just can't 'sit' as close to me as a smaller dog will. But then again, part of it that we didn't train her to 'sit' early on.

      Originally posted by my3bbdanes View Post
      Do you see differences in training between Danes vs other dogs you might train with?
      I guess Dane *thinks* before they do a command! I haven't seen dane responding as fast as GS or border collie would

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      • #4
        Originally posted by my3bbdanes View Post

        So I would ask - In regard to raising and training for performance:

        Do you have a training philosophy?

        From puppyhood - do you have a progression of activities, training, activities, etc., that works for you?

        How integrated is training into your life? By this I mean do you use a nothing is free approach; utilize meal-times in training; how regimented are your daily activities?

        How often do you train at home vs. in public?

        Do you find particular exercises/concepts that are typically problematic? If so - how do you work through them?

        If you have had memorable difficulties in training a particular dog - what would you attribute it to & how did you overcome it?

        Do you see differences in training between Danes vs other dogs you might train with?



        I know this is a lot - but I would appreciate hearing any/all that people would like to share.
        I incorporate training into every day situations.I use a lot of spontaneous training as well as regimented. I take all of my puppies to classes and I also use my puppies/dogs as demo dogs in the classes I teach. I take every opportunity to train. I try to expose my dogs to as much distraction as possible. I also use them as meet & greet dogs in CGC tests.

        Difference in training between Danes & other dogs>>>I find them to be very intelligent, not flakey & off the wall like some other breeds, they are thinkers, they are very quick to pick up new things, they will show you waht they know but will not repeat in excess like Border Collies and some other breeds will...as a trainer I really find them a fun breed to train.
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        • #5
          I don't have any performance dogs, but my trainer does, and what I notice with her when I watch her work Breez, is that she is much more demanding of accuracy than I am. She starts from the get go teaching ring-acceptable performance, so the dog (and handler) never develop bad habits that later have to be fixed. Even with puppies she does this. Something I'm trying to emulate.
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          • #6
            The next puppy I get is going to have the ring equipment in the back yard from the day he comes home, whether I plan to exhibit in performance or not.

            mp

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            • #7
              we train from day 1. the pups dont even have food bowls until around 5-6 months. they work for their food around here. once a good foundation is set, then they can start having meals as meals. doing this also helps me to stay on it. its really easy to just feed and say "Ill do double tomorrow". tomorrow never comes.

              By the time we go to puppy class, my pups r always bord until level 2. haha!

              I dont have a problem with sit in the confo ring. a well trained ob dog does know "stand stay". if twaching sit ruins ur dog, ur not teaching something rite.

              everything we do is an opportunity to train.

              we typically focus on building a foundation at home wen really young. then, we take it on the road. This last summer with Jax and Mel, I was out with a dog 6 days a week, every week until fall. if we werent at class, we were at some park (blessed with many around here) or a shopping center... etc. We usually back off around a yr old and take a break. once puberty is over, we dive back in. Every dog is different and needs its own methods.

              btw, to the one who said danes didnt respond as fast as borders, u clearly have not met my Mel. I swear, someone forgot to tell that girl she is a Dane and not an Aussie!!
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              • #8
                Funny because just today, I was telling hubby that I want to get Carlie back into agility. She thrives under it. She is just as fast as a border collie and needs that work to keep her in line. Her obedience is dead on when we are working, and she loves to work. It is when she is not on a mission, that we have issues with her. She is a constant work in progress, and after my leg injury, I am starting over with her. For her, life is about training and learning. Yes, we use meals as lessons in waiting. Walking on leash is my thorn in my side with her. Off leash, she comes immediately when called. She sits on command every time. She downs when told. She is more challenging with other dogs, and is higher energy, but when actually performing, she blows Reilly out of the water. She thrives on it.
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                RIP CARLIE 2/09-2/11 & REILLY 10/4/08-11/20/12, best friends together forever now.

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                • #9
                  I love this video...not Danes but the breeder has a reputation for producing top performance dogs, she starts them really early...

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH75F...ayer_embedded#!
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                  • #10
                    thanx &

                    Originally posted by autumnroyal View Post
                    we train from day 1. the pups dont even have food bowls until around 5-6 months. they work for their food around here. once a good foundation is set, then they can start having meals as meals. doing this also helps me to stay on it. its really easy to just feed and say "Ill do double tomorrow". tomorrow never comes.

                    I like this idea it'll help me stay on track!

                    I have learned so much more about training since going from manners classes to training toward performance competition, but have a long way to go.

                    -I loved the puppy agility video
                    - I agree that Danes seem to get bored with too much repetition - If I'm not careful they give me the "I just DID that!" look:-)
                    - I agree with trying to teach with precision. I watched the young Dane who took High in Trial at the GDCA National - and they were an amazing team. And it was very obvious that precision was rewarded in her training. I was not so precise from the start - and it shows.

                    Emma is such a social party girl that I wonder if we'll ever get to reliable off lead work - but we are trying

                    I love to hear the insights, tips, and the "things I'll do differently" next time(s). I'll keep checking back for more!
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