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  • mishenko
    started a topic Is my puppy too small?

    Is my puppy too small?

    Hi, I have posted already about my pups diet and the best food to use. I hve been asked about the breeder as well. Here is my story:

    I just bought a dane from a breeder that seemed reputable. I saw the parents, home, and spoke with some others about danes they have purchased from there. All seemed great. He came with AKC papers etc.

    They told me that he has been eating iams large breed puppy. 1 cup in the morning, and 1 cup at night. I was surprised as everything I read said no no no puppy food at all except for a few brands, not iams. The breeder told me that this is what they do with all their pups and have had no problems. Parents look really healthy and strong. No bone/joint issues etc.

    I have him on nutrisource grain free large breed chicken. He seems to like it. My question is his size. At 6 weeks, his vet papers state that he was 9 pounds 12 ounces. I thought that was a little under due to the charts that I read. I don't know what he is now, I am thinking 15 pounds and he is now a little over 8 weeks.. He seems to be on the smaller side. I am fine with it, just wondering if I can expect him to be a smaller dog because he is not soo big? Compared to others danes at 8 weeks, he doesn't seem to be as tall etc. I also thought that maybe he wasn't getting enough food with just eating twice a day. Maybe feed him 3 times?

    Thanks

  • JessicaH
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    I know this post is really old but I was wondering how your pup turned out. We purchased a puppy that was 9lb at 8 weeks and I was curious to see what size your dog was as an adult.

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  • mishenko
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    Originally posted by angeldane View Post
    Just FYI merle is just a pattern gene, all colors are possible. Your pup looks either brindle merle or a fawn merle.
    Ideally a color pure breed harlequins and mantles would only throw the grey and black merles. GDCA does not go into detail beyond the ideal color pairings.
    Piebalds, merles, whites, merlequins, and mismarked blacks are considered normal non show colors expected to pop up in litters.
    Your piebald boy is considered a normal mismark.
    Your newest pup is from an irresponsible color pairing, colors are suppose to be paired to increase the number of showable pups and pups of breed standard color.
    Most brindle dogs also carry fawn, so not only did they add brindle but likely fawn to most of the pups in the litter, and sire added additional white to any solid dog.
    Anyhow I wanted to add another member purchased two merle pups a boy and a girl, at 8 weeks they were 15 or 18 pounds, whatever it was they were equal in size. As adults the girl was 30 inches tall and the boy was 38 inches tall neither were heavy as adults, but clearly puppy size means very little.
    Our new pup's mom was brindle and you can see the brindle in the background when he is in the sun. He has spots like his dad though which appear to be like an outer layer.

    It will be interesting to see how he grows. He was about 10 pounds at 6 weeks and when I weighed him a few days ago for the post he was a little over 17 just past 8 weeks. That seems like a significant weight gain anyhow. He's eating good now and I think the food that I am feeding is much better than what he was on, plus he is getting atleast a cup more than what they were giving him. You can still see his ribs when he is playing.

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  • angeldane
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    Just FYI merle is just a pattern gene, all colors are possible. Your pup looks either brindle merle or a fawn merle.
    Ideally a color pure breed harlequins and mantles would only throw the grey and black merles. GDCA does not go into detail beyond the ideal color pairings.
    Piebalds, merles, whites, merlequins, and mismarked blacks are considered normal non show colors expected to pop up in litters.
    Your piebald boy is considered a normal mismark.
    Your newest pup is from an irresponsible color pairing, colors are suppose to be paired to increase the number of showable pups and pups of breed standard color.
    Most brindle dogs also carry fawn, so not only did they add brindle but likely fawn to most of the pups in the litter, and sire added additional white to any solid dog.
    Anyhow I wanted to add another member purchased two merle pups a boy and a girl, at 8 weeks they were 15 or 18 pounds, whatever it was they were equal in size. As adults the girl was 30 inches tall and the boy was 38 inches tall neither were heavy as adults, but clearly puppy size means very little.

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  • CarolB
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    A piebald is a mismarked mantle.

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  • SuzanneRM82
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    Originally posted by mishenko View Post
    Ok, I understand now. My son will show him in 4-H and that's it. Color won't matter to them. I love his color and think he is beautiful, but it is still in the back of my mind that it is not an accepted color.

    He's such a good pup, seems smart, has had no accidents in the house etc. I just hope all works out as I have not had the greatest luck with dogs.

    Does anyone happen to know what colors produce a piebald great dane? I asssume this is also not accepted but would like to know for myself. I have attached his pic.
    Piebalds are produced from harlequin/mantle litters. They're a normal product of those color breedings, just not for showing. My pup is a merle piebald.

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  • mishenko
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    Originally posted by SuzanneRM82 View Post
    What Samantha said- he can be registered because he is purebred Dane. This is why "AKC registered" doesn't always mean "responsible breeder".
    Ok, I understand now. My son will show him in 4-H and that's it. Color won't matter to them. I love his color and think he is beautiful, but it is still in the back of my mind that it is not an accepted color.

    He's such a good pup, seems smart, has had no accidents in the house etc. I just hope all works out as I have not had the greatest luck with dogs.

    Does anyone happen to know what colors produce a piebald great dane? I asssume this is also not accepted but would like to know for myself. I have attached his pic.
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  • SuzanneRM82
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    Originally posted by mishenko View Post
    Both his parents names are on the paperwork...His mother is brindle and father is harlequin. It is not allowed though? I am confused...
    What Samantha said- he can be registered because he is purebred Dane. This is why "AKC registered" doesn't always mean "responsible breeder".

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  • samantha63
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    Originally posted by mishenko View Post
    I read that online too. How is it that he can be registered AKC? I am completely lost on that. His parents names are on the paperwork as well as breeder etc.

    He does look to have his mothers brindle coloring and his dads harlequin spot pattern. I did see merle that looks more of a grayish.
    He can be registered AKC because his parents are both great danes, the AKC doesnt regulate breeders, they only keep records of the purebred dogs. He is just not accepted as a showable color.

    the Great Dane Club of America is the parent club of the breed and they set the standard. According to them there are only 6 show able colors. They also set the rules about which colors should/shouldnt be bred to each other.

    the people who bred your pups parents blatantly disregarded the rules set by the parent club of the breed. thats a big red flag, but now that you know better you can know the type of breeder to steer clear of.

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  • mishenko
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    Originally posted by SuzanneRM82 View Post
    For him to be AKC registered, both his parents need to be registered.
    Both his parents names are on the paperwork...His mother is brindle and father is harlequin. It is not allowed though? I am confused...

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  • SuzanneRM82
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    Originally posted by mishenko View Post
    I read that online too. How is it that he can be registered AKC? I am completely lost on that. His parents names are on the paperwork as well as breeder etc.

    He does look to have his mothers brindle coloring and his dads harlequin spot pattern. I did see merle that looks more of a grayish.
    For him to be AKC registered, both his parents need to be registered.

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  • mishenko
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    Originally posted by SuzanneRM82 View Post
    Merle is a blue-ish gray color with black spots. I don't know if it's just your photos, or if it's the true color of your pup, but he looks to be brown. Breeding brindle and harlequin is a no-no.
    I read that online too. How is it that he can be registered AKC? I am completely lost on that. His parents names are on the paperwork as well as breeder etc.

    He does look to have his mothers brindle coloring and his dads harlequin spot pattern. I did see merle that looks more of a grayish.

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  • SuzanneRM82
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    Originally posted by mishenko View Post
    Ok, I measured his height and weight. He is about 14 inches tall and about 17 pounds 4 ounces. Today he is exactly 8 weeks 4 days.

    Let me know your thoughts. I was under the impression that Merle was an accepted color. Atleast that is what it states on the AKC paperwork? His mother was brindle and father harlequin.

    Once again, thanks for your time....
    Merle is a blue-ish gray color with black spots. I don't know if it's just your photos, or if it's the true color of your pup, but he looks to be brown. Breeding brindle and harlequin is a no-no.

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  • mishenko
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    measurements

    Ok, I measured his height and weight. He is about 14 inches tall and about 17 pounds 4 ounces. Today he is exactly 8 weeks 4 days.

    Let me know your thoughts. I was under the impression that Merle was an accepted color. Atleast that is what it states on the AKC paperwork? His mother was brindle and father harlequin.

    Once again, thanks for your time....

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  • samantha63
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    theres no way to know if your pup is going to stay on the small side or if he will grow to be bigger than your other male, it just depends on the lines and i doubt there is consistency in the lines your pup came from. NOT YOUR FAULT, just know for the future that the breeder you chose is most likely not a good one.

    my mantle merle was 18 lbs at 8 weeks, and now at 3 years old is 105 lbs and almost 32".

    my well bred fawn was 25 lbs at 8 weeks, and now at 8 months is 115 lbs and 33 1/4", which is right where he is supposed to be based on the growth patterns of his lines.

    ill be the first one to say its a bummer when someone gets a small dane, everyone loves them for their size. you dont usually see people looking for a dane that wont get big lol

    but thats not the be all end all, you will love your pup no matter the size he becomes

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