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  • What would you get from a Merle x Mantle breeding?

    i have decided to bread my female mantle to my male Merle and wanted to see what the possible outcomes are. Both puppies are from harlequin breedings and Iím hoping to get a couple harlequins out of this litter.

  • #2
    some questions for you first...

    1. how old are your dogs?
    2. have your dogs been completely health tested? (heart/hips/eyes/etc. etc. etc.)
    3. do you show your dogs?
    4. if you do not show, have your dogs been evaluated by 3 unbiased people? (REPUTABLE breeders and/or judges)
    5. are you prepared to spend mega amounts of $$$ should something unexpected happen during your bitch's pregnancy/whelping?
    6. are you prepared to give lifetime support to your puppy buyers? i.e., be available 24/7 to answer questions, etc.?
    7. are you prepared to take a puppy back at any time during its lifetime if the owner decides, for whatever reason, they cannot keep it?
    8. are you expecting to make money by selling the puppies?

    i have a feeling that #1 will be the only question you will be able to answer without a yes or no. numbers 2-7, i suspect will be no. #8 is a toss up. unless you can answer every questions with a "yes", you shouldn't be breeding either one of your dogs.
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    • #3
      In addition to Charlenes great post both dogs must have an impeccable pedigree and all or almost all of the dogs in it should have had health testing.. Health testing isn't just simple vet exams but real testing OFA or PennHip on hips, OFA/CERF on eyes, OFA heart & thyroid...They all need to be done and passed before a dog is even considered for a breeding program.. You should be breeding with a definite goal in mind to add something of value back to the breed not just a litter of puppies. Also the dogs need to be registered with a reputable registry like AKC . I would suggest familiarizing your self with the GDCA for breed standard, health, color code, etc.. Learn al lyou possibly can..be a responsible breeder not an irresponsible one.
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      • #4
        http://www.gdca.org/colorcode.html

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        • #5
          http://www.gdca.org/codeofethics.html

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          • #6
            Wow come on here to ask a question and get the run around. I love how people assume the worst of people and question people with out even knowing. Btw both dogs are over one. Yes she already passed her first heat. answer is yes to most of the questions only one is no I have not/will not be showing but have eyes and can see when a dogs confirmation is nice or not. I also worked at a vet for 5 years and show groomed dogs in the past (poodles not Danes). Iíve bred English bulldogs for 6 years RESPONSIBLY!!! Just not an expert on color genetics. Well this is definitely not the forum for me. Have fun chasing away others interested in learning instead of spreading your knowledge. ✌️

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            • #7
              You came here to learn and were given good sound, correct responsible breeding advice.. Even the best most experienced breeder know conformation and what to look for but they still have people/judges evaluate because a responsible breeder knows there can be "kennel blindness" Ö an honest unbiased opinion is a must if you do it right.. As far as age goes no breeding under the age of 2 after all health tests have been done.. only people who usually get chased away are those that don't want to learn and don't want to breed responsibly.
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              • #8
                Ok but my question was on color genetics and what the breeding could result in. I said I have decided to breed them, never said I was breeding now. My female will be 2 by the time her next cycle comes around . She is 19 months and just finished her first cycle. No one has answered the question asked. Just jumped to whether or not I should breed or be a breeder, and questioned my intentions on breeding. How could I not be offended, I love my pups. I asked one questioned and was attacked with 8. None of which had anything to do with what I asked. Iíll leave my questions for my vet moving forward. I get the whole defending the practice of breeding. And the alarming rate of back yard breeders. That doesnít mean everyone is. People come on here looking for friendly advice from people with more experience in this breed. If I didnít care or was irresponsible, I would have just said F*** it letís just see what happens.


                Oh btw, I call them my pups. Doesnít mean they are puppies.

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                • #9
                  hey. settle down there. we are all on here because we a fanatic about our pups. nobody is trying to bash you, especially me! yes, this is a tough crowd but you can learn a lot from the oldies. I'm fairly new myself. I'm no expert and always use references to back up my suggestions. if you ask about diet.....well, you will get slammed. BUT, I really think because this is a short-lived breed that people are so sensitive. settle down and settle in. your experience is commendable. if you've never lost a Dane, you cannot imagine the pain. just really learn as much as you can. I give you credit for your interest in the breed. they are phenomenal animals. all the best to you.

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                  • #10
                    Sorry. Lol. The first persons response to my post really irked me. After all this is really a place to come and learn about the breed. No need for the 101 questions or assumptions. Like I said, I used to breed English bulldogs and I never had a problem answering questions for others or giving advice when asked. But never questioned others intentions in breeding or whether they should be a breeder, without knowing them or their dogs living conditions. I AM NOT NEW TO BREEDING. just new to this breed. And all breeds are different. All my bulldogs were red and whites so there was really no need to learn color genetics or know what colors I would get from breeding what. Thatís all Iím trying to figure out. Not here to learn how to be a responsible breeder because I already am one .

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                    • #11
                      If you are going to breed get DNA done to see what colors are being carried... you do want double merle...As far as colors since both a mantle and a merle are in the harlequin family depending on what they are carrying you could get merles, mantles, harlequins, mismark mantle... I suggest looking up genetic article by JP Yousha..she is very, very experienced and her studies, research, experience in genetics in Danes is phenominal and easy to understand.
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                      • #12
                        Thank you for the info. Iím going to look into those articles and hopefully get the dna tests done soon. Definitely do not want double Merleís.

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