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    go about determining if a breeder they are considering is a PM or BYB, or a *good* breeder? I know I can't post links here, but I would assume I can say that we are looking in Illinois and the only breeder sites I've looked at are on the GDCA site. Can anyone tell me if we're starting off in the right place? If anything screams a huge warning to them (if you can't name specifics, that's fine, but a general, "Well, I'd be leery about <insert general info here>.." would help tremendously), PM's are fine, too. I have to say that we're looking primarily at fawns as pets, not as show dogs, though I am not opposed to other colors.

    Also, here's a kind of random question. Is there any reason NOT to buy used crates?

    P.S. We've started pricing fences, hubby says we may get that done sooner than I thought, maybe as early as early March!
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    RE: How does one...

    Congrats on fence and good luck on the search just take your time and research and find someone your comfortable with and that your on the same page as.

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    • #3
      RE: How does one...

      Here are some helpful links for the puppy buyer:

      http://www.danemist.com/ABCs/buyingapurebredpuppy.html

      http://www.phouka.com/puppy/bdr_irres.html

      http://www.doglogic.com/pupconsd.html

      http://www.phouka.com/puppy/bdr_owner.html

      http://www.phouka.com/puppy/bdr_questions.html

      http://www.phouka.com/puppy/bdr_frames.html

      http://www.canismajor.com/dog/puppymil.html

      All these sites have info about chooseing a puppy, determining if the breeder is ethical, determining if it is a PM or BYB, questions to ask a potential breeder, questions that an ethical breeder will be asking you...lots of info so if possible I would read all you can. And if after reading you have questions about a particular breeder you can PM me or most anyone else and we'll do our best to help you out.

      Also...if you can try and locate a local breed club...they are always a great source of information. A word of caution.... Just because a litter or breeder is posted on DOL or on the GDCA's website doesn't automatically make them ethical so research everything throughly and don't rush into buying the first pup you come across. Good luck and keep us posted on how everything goes.

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      • #4
        RE: How does one...

        In addition to things you've already done, call around and talk to their peers. Call the club(s) in the area, let it be known you're looking for a fawn and just start conversing with folks. Attend some shows and visit with Dane folks there, too.

        To find shows, visit www.infodog.com/showinfo/state.htm and look for an All-Breed or Dane Specialty show. For more info on shows, visit www.cikc.net/spectator.htm .

        Keep in mind that not everyone will like everyone. Someone might be a sore looser and take the opportunity to trash talk someone else. But, after you talk to several people, you'll start getting a feel for who is respectable and who is not. Silence can often speak volumes, if you find that over & over folks limit what they say about certain breeders, it might be a bit of a warning.

        Keep a notebook and jot down what you hear about breeders you're considering. If they have websites, look at their dogs and make note if certain dogs or lines really catch your eye. Verify health testing claims at www.offa.org .

        It sounds like you're doing all the right steps and taking it slow. The only other thing I'd have to offer is expand your search to neighboring states. Not because I don't think there is a lack of quality breeders in IL, but just so you have a larger pool of breeders from which to choose.

        Nothing wrong with purchasing a use crate, but they can show wear & tear. I haven't seen a lot of used Dane sized crates for reasonable prices, but you might get lucky. If you plan on using the crate beyond house training, it might be easiest and wisest to buy new. If you only plan to use one to get you through puppy hood, a used crate might be a good idea.

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        • #5
          RE: How does one...

          Okay, so I was just reading something that sent up a red flag for me, but maybe I am being a bit... overly concerned. One of the breeders mentioned that she just bred her dog in December. I went to the site of the sire, and that site mentions puppies due in October 2006 from the same sire and dam. There is nothing on the dam's site about puppies born in October. Should I assume that no puppies resulted from the breeding (maybe no pregnancy resulted)? Is that a normal time frame for breeding again? It seems awfully soon, but my guess is if there were pups, she wouldn't have gone into heat, right?
          I really feel like I am being a pest to everyone, asking a million questions about these things, but I cannot bring a dog home only to have to put him/her to sleep. I can't do that to myself, to my boys, to the dog (and I realize no one wants to do that). Honestly,I don't know where else to ask these kinds of questions.
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          • #6
            RE: How does one...

            If pups were due in Oct.No way shed be in heat in 2 months unless I read this wrong.

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            • #7
              RE: How does one...

              You could always email or call the breeder in question and ask. May be the best way to answer your own questions.
              As to breeding back to back heats. I'm not a fan of it..however depends on the situation, the dam, the size of the litter she had previously and the reason for doing the repeat. Many breeders do breed consecutive heats with no problems.
              I myself am doing a back to back as my dam only had 3 pups. She had no prolems and was an great mother to the babies. The quality of the pups is very good and their health is excellent...therefore I am repeating. I, personally(and remember breeders differ on alot of issues...doesn't mean anyone is right or wrong..just different)want to see a large "sampling" of what is being produced than was produced in my dam's first litter. Since there are only two surviving pups (one was lost on cropping table to anesthsia reaction)and that is less than I would like to see to evaluate what this particular sire and dam are actually producing(consistancy)...I am repeating.

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              • #8
                RE: How does one...

                GDCA is a good start but not the only resource. Double and triple check anything you get from starting there with other local breeders, breed clubs and fellow local Dane owners.

                Logan
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                • #9
                  RE: How does one...

                  Check your local rescue, they'll also be a good source of info on the breeders in your area.


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                  from the Sooner State, Brenda
                  Royal Sooner Great Danes & Borzoi
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                  from the Sooner State, Brenda
                  Royal Sooner Great Danes & Borzoi
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                  • #10
                    RE: How does one...

                    Maybe the sire's site was out of date ? Maybe the dog was supposed to be bred in Oct, but didn't come into heat until Dec? Otherwise, I'd guess the first breeding didn't come to fruitation.

                    If you contact them, just ask for clarification.

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                    • #11
                      RE: How does one...

                      It may just be some slight confusion with the website information. Email the breeder and ask them about it. They should just answer your questions. If you get attitude or they seem like you are being too nosey or asking too much information, then forget that breeder. A good breeder should answer your questions no matter how boring or intrusive they are.

                      If they find anything you ask too intrusive, just imagine the things they're deliberately hiding from you. A breeder needs to up front.

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                      • #12
                        RE: How does one...

                        One of the breeders gave me an online "leaflet" about an upcoming show in February. We are planning on going to it.
                        I e-mailed the breeder to ask her about the October due date. Very good point about being upfront.
                        Thank you all again. I know I am asking a lot of questions , hope y'all don't mind.
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                        • #13
                          RE: How does one...

                          Just letting everyone know that the breeder responded and said that the last breeding didn't take. She's trying again now. And we're co-ordinating her coming to see our home with her dogs, and invited us to come and see her anytime. I think we may have found a good breeder, one that we would be willing to wait for if this breeding doesn't take or we're just not ready when she has puppies.
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