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    It takes more than nice dogs to make a nice litter. It takes a good kennel with good practices, a knowledgeable & dedicated breeder
    with an eye for good stock & good animal husbandry skills. These skills cost. Every commercial ("puppy mill) & casual ("back-yard breeder") line of dogs at some time at least started out with "nice" dogs that slipped from a show-breeder's hands, & many will try to buy up pups from well-bred show litters whenever
    they can to keep this illusion ("Champion bloodlines") going. It takes probably 3 generations to undo the quality a careful
    show-hobby breeder has crafted into their dogs: first goes the looks (type), then the health & temperament. (Ask any rescue org. to confirm this.) As things fall apart the dogs get cheaper.

    So someone saying they have "nice" dogs doesn't make them a "nice" breeder. If they are not out showing their potential breeding dogs, then they are not likely a respectable kennel, despite all their protests & exhibition of their "Champion bloodlines." Good kennels have Champions of their own. Think about this: if they are not out there
    showing, etc., then how exactly do they know their dogs are of good quality? Where exactly do they get these exhorbitant figures for the prices of their pups? A quick look at kennel finances
    in fact will show you a lot about all sorts of breeders.

    Look at some facts & figures. Even the "cheap" Champion costs around $1000. Most cost more like $5000 to finish. Stud fees can run to $1000,
    health checks on each dog to $500. Lessons from everything from handling to obedience are started young & continued for years. More preventative health care is likely done as the dog is growing, & then their are the ads for the dog, of course, the club fees, the subscriptions, donations
    ......all this and NOT counting the cost of buying or owning the dog. Show breeders don't
    count "the basics"--the cost of a keeping a dog just as your pet dog--(but rest assured most show breeders prize show pups are cherished
    housepets first & foremost).

    You can see now where it is reasonable for a show breeder to charge $500 or more for their pets & $1000 or more for their show/breeding
    potential pups. Not only does that minimum price run off the casual buyer uncommitted to the breed's needs, but it's an attempt to try & recoup
    at least show & litter costs, which can run into the thousands every year. Most show breeders are lucky if the litter pays for itself, very few can
    actually get the kennel to pay for itself, & forget making any real profit.And don't forget these are the same people doing public education,
    fund-raising & donations for their clubs to help their breed, giving rescue donations, going to seminars to keep up to date & serving on committees and as club officers, losing hours from work & leisure,while helping keep the breed going & maintaining their own skills.

    Many have extra jobs or work extra hours or just do without to be able to,on average, invest at least $5000 a year in their little kennel & their
    once-a-year litter. WHY do they do this? Are you gonna say ego? Look at the above again, then, please. THESE are the humble people who
    say to other breed experts: "please tell me if you too think my dogs are worthy," who work their tails off for non-profit organizations that
    support everything from scholarships for veterinarians to research on breed-related health problems. Ego? Hardly--true love of the breed
    is obviously a more reasonable answer to why anyone would put up with *all* this & then be called a snob by so-called dog lovers to boot. Now look at the non-showing breeder and their costs. Above & beyond initial price of the dog & feeding the dogs, what it is? Nothing usually.
    In fact they aren't normally spending any more than the average pet puppy owner & maybe less! So why are they charging similar prices to the
    show breeder, hm? They aren't acquring any of the costs, so why, hm? How are they even making certain their dogs are breed worthy? Good "lines"
    aren't enough. Can they actually believe their own, emotional, personally involved determination alone is sufficient--gee--& they call show breeders arrogant? They often complain show "politics" keeps them home, but by now
    you must suspect it is at least partly financial loss. Think about this too: if they cannot take a little criticism about their dogs, how can you trust their judgement, & worse, how do they _ever_ make the hard decisions breeding dogs entails? (Like spaying your heart's pride & joy because you have secrret doubts about her real ability to preserve what is best in the breed.) Tough to imagine, hm?

    Even if they do health checks (the exception-but any demand the "customer" has it likely to be met by a few, including checks), this cannot run to more than $500/per dog, including OFA hips, elbows, CERF eyes, Cardiac ultrasound, vWD, & a thyroid panel. So that makes the grand total for the most extravagant non-show breeder $1000 per litter. Eight pups on average, you figure sold at an average of $1000 a piece & that's
    clearing $7000! Even if they only average $500/per dog, that's a cool $3500 per litter quick profit! WOW! Any show breeder would
    swoon at the idea of that much extra cash coming in & promptly spent it on their dogs & their cherished breed!!!

    Buyers--you control this equation in part. (Not the bit about show breeders, who are stuck doing what they do whether *you* buy from them or not.
    The quality breeders do it out of true & pure love for the breed & no financial loss will likely make them quit.) But how about all the rest? Think they'd still be there if the fun & the profits were gone? Hm? If you don't buy
    there overpriced pups, who would, hm? ....oh, and we haven't yet even mentioned all those extra dogs made & sold every year, have we? Like I said in the beginning, it takes more than someone buying "nice" dogs to become a "nice" kennel. The person(s) themselves are part of the equation of whether or not you should buy from them or not.
    Think about who is the "snob" here: if they are so incredibly arrogant as to claim that they alone don't need to have an objective opinion
    about their dogs' breeding quality (don't need to show)_&_ they are out there making a tidy profit off the "Champion lines" someone else is
    actually paying for, then how can they be "nice" & how can you believe buying from them is an investment in the breed's future, regardless
    of how well-bred or cute or whatever the pups they have are? The future of purebred dogs--it's up to me.......& you!
    An aggravated (& poor) show-breeder.
    1998. permission to crosspost granted.

  • #2
    RE: More than nice dogs to make a nice litter

    Great post JP!

    Thanks for the food for thought...


    • #3
      RE: More than nice dogs to make a nice litter

      Great JP, and an exellent time, maybe some of those wanna-be breeders and some already doing it, and even those who are thinking about it, should read that and spend some time contemplating what they are doing/about to do. For all those out there that want to breed because the bloodlines are good/great, or think their beloved pet is beautiful, "wonderful temperment" and all the other stuff said this is a great food for thought.
      i especially like the part about the byb's doing it for $$$$, they should stop prostituting their dogs for extra money!!!! They're dogs they don't know any better but humans should x(


      • #4
        thought this was a good post to bring up to the top today
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        • #5
          I just had to post this on my local craigslist. I love it when people put things like this in writing and allow us to share. I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears but maybe one person will change their mind.
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