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  • Bruce57
    started a topic Raised feeder or not?

    Raised feeder or not?

    Just wanted to get everyone's opinion... Do you recommend a raised feeder or not?

    We had a bloat scare on Saturday evening, Bruce was trying to vomit with no luck, started drooling heavily and looked horribly uncomfortable. Luckily after our race to the vet and lots of $$$ later it turned out to be pneumonia and not bloat (thank goodness!!!). While we were there the vet mentioned we should not be using a raised feeder.... Thoughts anyone? We keep hearing different opinions on both but none are from dane owners so we would love to get some feedback!

    Thanks!!

  • mnmouse
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    My dogs usually remove their raw food from their bowls and eat it off the floor/mats. Mouse takes large pieces to his couch (it's always covered) and eats laying down.

    I feed them before I cook/eat and they rest during human food prep after they are done eating.

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  • kmoore24
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    I do not use a raised feeder... Never have. I really think stress is a major contributing factor in bloat in dogs. That being said I also think taking in a large amount of air in feeding/watering may also be a factor...

    I really do think anything has been proven one way or the other..

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  • texas mom
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    raised feeder or not? 2 more opinions

    I found these two links to be interesting.
    http://yourolddog.com/raised-dog-bowls/
    http://www.greatdanelady.com/article...loat_study.htm

    When we first rescued my dane, her ribs and spine were showing. She inhaled food and was protective of it. My vet warned me about bloat. I feed smaller meals more frequently. In the beginning, 4 times a day, now only two times a day.

    I placed food bowls on the floor and in an elevated feeder. She will choose the elevated feeder every time. I did have to experiment with the height of the bowl.

    right or wrong? I don't know but I wonder if the dog food, the individual dog and stress are also factors to consider?

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  • Bruce57
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    Thank you for the comments, you all are right, its a tight split on the topic. I've heard that wolves sometimes eat laying down... does this mean anything... yea im lost lol. I really appreciate the information, Im going to probably stick with the raised feeder for now, but maybe I'll lower it a bit to be in the middle of the issue.

    Thanks again!

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  • harleylvr
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    Originally posted by DaisysMomma View Post
    I did so much research on whether or not to get a raised feeder. Half of what I read said raised feeders helped to prevent bloat. The other half said it helped cause it.

    We ended up getting Daisy a raised feeder... and a gastropexy too.
    This is what I did with Harley, well will do, since she will be getting her gastropexy when I get home. Once we start RAW I'll see if she is more comfortable eating on the floor, but she would rather eat out of a raised bowl, so I let her.

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  • LeaningPost
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    Originally posted by jrturk View Post
    I think what could be happening is that giant breeds are more often fed using a raised feeder, and giant breeds are also more likely to bloat. So when they gather details about dogs that have bloated, it seems to indicate that a raised feeder is a contributing factor.

    The better way to analyze this phenomenon would be to have two groups of dogs who are basically the same in every way, except one group uses raised feeders and one group feeds on the floor. It's difficult because dogs are so different, it would be hard to get large enough samples.

    Sorry, I'm an actuary and we LOVE data analysis...
    This has always been a sticking point for me also on the debate of raised/non raised feeders. I don't know that the feeding position has much to do with it. I tend more towards genetics, and general disposition of the dog, and stressers pre-bloat.

    That said, we do use raised feeders. Our danes just seem more comfortable eating that way (go figure... spoiling a dane lol). With our Clyde, we raised his feeder later in life, as bending over or sitting to eat was difficult for him due to his hips, and we didn't want him to eat lying down.

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  • jrturk
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    I think what could be happening is that giant breeds are more often fed using a raised feeder, and giant breeds are also more likely to bloat. So when they gather details about dogs that have bloated, it seems to indicate that a raised feeder is a contributing factor.

    The better way to analyze this phenomenon would be to have two groups of dogs who are basically the same in every way, except one group uses raised feeders and one group feeds on the floor. It's difficult because dogs are so different, it would be hard to get large enough samples.

    Sorry, I'm an actuary and we LOVE data analysis...
    Last edited by jrturk; 05-11-2012, 07:24 AM. Reason: can't spell

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  • gr8danlvr1
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    Danes have been bloating for quite a while now. Some time ago someone thought that it would help to raise their dishes. Danes still bloated. So now we aren't to raise their dishes anymore. I'm gonna assume danes are still gonna bloat. Isis was let out to potty, let back in, fed, laid around the house for 1/2 hour or so and then put in their room so I could go to work. No activity at all that morning and we came home to an almost dead dog, who later did die of bloat/torsion. Yes we fed her on a raised surface, but we did and still do feed Venus raised and she will be 10 in September w/o any bloat issues. I think if your dane is gonna bloat, it is gonna bloat and really the only thing you can truly do to help is get a gastropexy.

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  • Jodie017
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    that makes sense. I think I will just leave it be.... As nature intended thank you!

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  • Angel7292
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    Originally posted by Jodie017 View Post
    We don't use one just because it's so up the air I don't know what to do. If I ever do get one it won't be very high just high enough so that he isn't hurting his back or shoulders trying to reach the ground.
    We went for a walk the other day and I got an earful from some old man on the importance of one and if I don't hurry up and get one its gonna cost me a whole lot of money.
    Oh and how long dog you make your dogs be still after and before a meal. I always stick Bruno outside after he is done eating so he can go to the bathroom OOPS!
    LOL.. It's not about keeping them perfectly still or not walking. Just a calm, quiet, no play time, running or excercise. If Bruno goes out to do his business and isn't zooming or running around, pooping is on the ok list.

    For us, we use to crate an hour before and an hour after. We don't crate anymore. I always make a habit out of going and watching TV before Phineas eats and he will follow me anywhere. So we watch TV or even sometimes go and play on the computer. It's his quiet time. I fed our dogs before we even cook dinner. It makes it easier on me. So after he eats, I start to cook and he lays on the kitchen floor. It's not about keeping them motionless... it's just quiet digesting time. Know what I mean?

    People will tell you all the time what to do or not to do with your dog. Pfftt.. Whatever. If you do or don't feed from a raised bowl, that is your decision. I often just ignore those people with a smile and a nod.

    I can only speak for myself when I say that we try to avoid all contributing factors to bloat and one of them has been shown to be a raised bowl. If it is true or not, I dunno. IMO, it doesn't hurt a dog to eat from a bowl on the floor. I know I've heard lots of arguments about bending down, neck, back and such. It has been our thinking that the food in the bowl lasts mere minutes, not hours. He doesn't spend the whole time bending over. He eats, looks up, eats, looks up, etc. Plus, if you are worried about your dane getting eating off the floor, then wouldn't the same problem exist with the toys on the floor? Sniffing the ground as they walk? Lastly, there is a lot of discussion about feeding a dog naturally with a raw diet, for example, but in the wild there are no raised feeders! Like I said... this is OUR thoughts for OUR dog. You just need to educate yourself and make an informed decision for YOUR dog. What you do is your business.
    Last edited by Angel7292; 05-08-2012, 04:48 AM. Reason: TYPOOOOOS!

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  • Jodie017
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    We don't use one just because it's so up the air I don't know what to do. If I ever do get one it won't be very high just high enough so that he isn't hurting his back or shoulders trying to reach the ground.
    We went for a walk the other day and I got an earful from some old man on the importance of one and if I don't hurry up and get one its gonna cost me a whole lot of money.
    Oh and how long dog you make your dogs be still after and before a meal. I always stick Bruno outside after he is done eating so he can go to the bathroom OOPS!

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  • Angel7292
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    I think there are MANY variables that contribute to the chances of bloat. You can keep a dog still for hours before and after eating and they can still bloat. It may not be just one thing and instead a combonation of different things.

    A raised feeder has been indicated as a contributing factor to bloat. For us, we try to eliminate as many of them as possible. We feed on the floor for this reason.

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  • TMedic37
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    Go to the vet down the road. They will tell you to use a raised feeder.

    Lol.. seriously... that's how it is. I highly doubt you're going to find anything definitive here either

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